[Nahlem]

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So this should now be official range of the EPA list. As stated before the 20 inch with wider tires slaughters the range but for some that will be more then enough.


This is from inside EVs they have more in depth and details so credit to them for summarising it so well

https://insideevs.com/news/567901/bm...ge-efficiency/

EPA Range from Gov site with other official details.

BMW i4 40 18" wheels (225/50R18): 301 miles (484 km)

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find...n=sbs&id=45133

BMW i4 40 19" wheels (245/40R19 / 255/40R19): 282 miles (454 km)

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find...n=sbs&id=45134

BMW i4 M50 19" wheels (245/40R19 / 255/40R19): 270 miles (434 km

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find...n=sbs&id=45131

BMW i4 M50 20" wheels (255/35R20 / 285/30R20): 227 miles (365 km)

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find...n=sbs&id=45132


This is from the official document for those wondering when the time comes to change tires when undoubtedly the ones that comes with the cars wears out.


The BMW i4 eDrive40 is fitted with standard 18-inch light-alloy wheels while 19-inch
wheels are optional. The BMW i4 M50 includes 19-inch M light-alloy wheels with
mixed-size tires. Additional 19-inch and 20-inch wheels are optional.
A more advanced version of BMW’s standard Tire Pressure Monitor is found on the i4.
The system’s sensors relay data on tire pressure and temperature for each individual
wheel, which is then processed to generate corresponding readouts in the Control
Display. The Tire Pressure Monitor also factors in specific data on the tires fitted,
including manufacturer, dimensions and production date, which can now for the first
Corporate Communications
time be scanned from a QR code at the factory or service partner. Exclusive to BMW,
this system simplifies use of the tire pressure indicator in the iDrive menu. In the menu
item for tire selection, the driver has only to indicate whether the vehicle is partially or
fully laden to view information on both the ideal and current tire pressures and decide
whether there is any need to adjust them.
A digital tire diagnosis function helps advise the owner of tire wear by processing the
data from the Tire Pressure Monitor in the BMW backend together with the pressure,
temperature and wheel speed readings to forecast the remaining tire life. Customers
can be notified via the My BMW App, for example, if action needs to be taken

[WallyF]

I think this and the links should become a sticky!

Wallyf

[techwhiz1]

There isn't a real difference between the I4 e40 and the M50 with the same size tires fitted.

I wanted the look and range be damned. Givee the 20" wheels.

[spool twice]

The kW/100mile figure doesn't make sense?

At 35kWh/100 miles, that's 232 miles for the M50 19" wheel? Or am I calculating it wrong?

81.5/35*100

[Eddien123]

That's pretty bad range IMO. No EV has a range that's remotely competitive. Also, attach a trailer, load the car, drive it hard etc and the range plummets.

Making progress for sure but EVs are just not there yet. We're still a ways out. I admire companies for trying but it seems like we're shifting everything to EV and it's insanely premature but to each their own.

[drexplode]

Originally Posted by Eddien123

That's pretty bad range IMO. No EV has a range that's remotely competitive. Also, attach a trailer, load the car, drive it hard etc and the range plummets.

Making progress for sure but EVs are just not there yet. We're still a ways out. I admire companies for trying but it seems like we're shifting everything to EV and it's insanely premature but to each their own.

The United States Department of Transportation Federal Highway Administration said that the average person drove 14,263 miles per year in 2019. That's roughly 1,200 miles per month per driver or about 39 miles per day. Let's be conservative and say 50miles/day.

The i4 has a 11kW on board charging capacity. If a consumer has a level 2 charger at home equal or greater than 11kW then you can replenish your normal 50 miles within a few hours and definitely while you are asleep. Empty to full with 11kW takes ~9h.

Range anxiety for a daily driver can be near zero if a level 2 charger is available at home. An extra 50-100miles of range is nice but not necessarily required.

[TheStanman]

Originally Posted by Eddien123

That's pretty bad range IMO. No EV has a range that's remotely competitive. Also, attach a trailer, load the car, drive it hard etc and the range plummets.

Making progress for sure but EVs are just not there yet. We're still a ways out. I admire companies for trying but it seems like we're shifting everything to EV and it's insanely premature but to each their own.

Just depends on your use case. Average household has 2 cars and 300 mile range is more than sufficient to be 1 of those 2 cars for most households.

The i4 specifically isn't particularly impressive. But again, it will still work for many people.

The main reason people are shifting so quickly is that the costs are continuing to drop consistently. We're at the point where total cost of ownership is pretty comparable between ICE and EV (once you factor in fuel and maintenance savings). In a few years, ICE will be be price premium. That's when adoption will start to really take off.

[sod-3]

These epa-ranges for euro cars are a joke

[2011ninja]

Originally Posted by Eddien123

That's pretty bad range IMO. No EV has a range that's remotely competitive. Also, attach a trailer, load the car, drive it hard etc and the range plummets.

Making progress for sure but EVs are just not there yet. We're still a ways out. I admire companies for trying but it seems like we're shifting everything to EV and it's insanely premature but to each their own.

Emmm hmmmm

[e92ben]

Lame. Same reason I didn't get the i3 as a daily few years ago. Weak range.

[Nahlem]

Originally Posted by drexplode

The United States Department of Transportation Federal Highway Administration said that the average person drove 14,263 miles per year in 2019. That's roughly 1,200 miles per month per driver or about 39 miles per day. Let's be conservative and say 50miles/day.

The i4 has a 11kW on board charging capacity. If a consumer has a level 2 charger at home equal or greater than 11kW then you can replenish your normal 50 miles within a few hours and definitely while you are asleep. Empty to full with 11kW takes ~9h.

Range anxiety for a daily driver can be near zero if a level 2 charger is available at home. An extra 50-100miles of range is nice but not necessarily required.

Agree to this but the range thing for some people is probably not about daily drive range but more about that "What if time" for example: What if i need to haul these gianormous (insert any random thing here) can i do it? Then the answer will probably be no for those people.

Those what if moments are rare of-course this doesn't apply to all some people do those "rare" things more on daily basis then most of us do. So they wouldn't look at an EV to begin with because they don't met their demand either way. So in that aspect i believe we will still need Diesels for a while longer but i do believe Petrol will be phased out before Diesel will.

But yeah for most people they will do fine with today's EV's range, but what i find more annoying about EVs at this point at this time is the weight of the cars, if manufactures could focus a bit more on reducing their weight it would both improve range and the dynamic of the cars.

My best bet is if BMW would focus more on reducing the weight of the car the range will improve on its own, with that at the same time keeping up with OTA updates improving efficiency of current tech so people can feel a bit "safe" or "comfortable" with their choice of car so it wont feel obsolete in a year or two.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by Nahlem

Agree to this but the range thing for some people is probably not about daily drive range but more about that "What if time" for example: What if i need to haul these gianormous (insert any random thing here) can i do it? Then the answer will probably be no for those people.

Those what if moments are rare of-course this doesn't apply to all some people do those "rare" things more on daily basis then most of us do. So they wouldn't look at an EV to begin with because they don't met their demand either way. So in that aspect i believe we will still need Diesels for a while longer but i do believe Petrol will be phased out before Diesel will.

But yeah for most people they will do fine with today's EV's range, but what i find more annoying about EVs at this point at this time is the weight of the cars, if manufactures could focus a bit more on reducing their weight it would both improve range and the dynamic of the cars.

My best bet is if BMW would focus more on reducing the weight of the car the range will improve on its own, with that at the same time keeping up with OTA updates improving efficiency of current tech so people can feel a bit "safe" or "comfortable" with their choice of car so it wont feel obsolete in a year or two.

So make a list of things you are willing to give up to reduce weight.

Also how much more would you spend on lightweight materials and a cabin core?

[ghaffari46]

Not very attractive for NE US and Canada. My long range Tesla 3 (360 range) doesn't go more than 200 miles in this subzero weather.
I was looking forward to a i4 m50 but in reality it would not have a rang of more than 150 in winter.

[Luminor513]

I can't recall if it was on here or on a review somewhere, but the M50 w 20's had sub 200 mi range real world. That is very disappointing.

[M3WC]

M50 with 20's almost 90miles less range than a Model 3 Perf...ooofff.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by Luminor513

I can't recall if it was on here or on a review somewhere, but the M50 w 20's had sub 200 mi range real world. That is very disappointing.

That was a cold weather test.

[spool twice]

Originally Posted by sod-3

These epa-ranges for euro cars are a joke

this guy gets it

Euro cars are typically known to be conservative under the EPA cycle.

Take a look at Porsche, it's known to exceed its EPA ratings by a good margin.

EPA rates a 4S @ 203 miles, Edmund gets 323 miles out of it. go figure

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by M3WC

M50 with 20's almost 90miles less range than a Model 3 Perf...ooofff.

Then don't get the sticky 20" tires/wheels.

With 19" wheels the range in only slightly less than the eDrive40.

If you want the range of a Tesla buy a Tesla. The Tesla is missing adaptive suspension, good headlights, premium interior, adaptive regeneration and a host of other things the M50 has.

[spool twice]

Originally Posted by techwhiz1

Then don't get the sticky 20" tires/wheels.

With 19" wheels the range in only slightly less than the eDrive40.

If you want the range of a Tesla buy a Tesla. The Tesla is missing adaptive suspension, good headlights, premium interior, adaptive regeneration and a host of other things the M50 has.

I think those in the "know" (including you) know the Tesla Model 3 performance doesn't even get its EPA range

The two will be real close in range when equipped with the 20" wheel, where as the 19" wheel M50 will fall somewhere in between the Model 3 performance and Model 3 Dual-Motor.

[Eddien123]

Originally Posted by TheStanman

Just depends on your use case. Average household has 2 cars and 300 mile range is more than sufficient to be 1 of those 2 cars for most households.

The i4 specifically isn't particularly impressive. But again, it will still work for many people.

The main reason people are shifting so quickly is that the costs are continuing to drop consistently. We're at the point where total cost of ownership is pretty comparable between ICE and EV (once you factor in fuel and maintenance savings). In a few years, ICE will be be price premium. That's when adoption will start to really take off.

I agree with you completely. But for someone who oh has one car. It makes very little sense to have a second car to go the distance because your EV can't.

[spool twice]

Originally Posted by Nahlem

Agree to this but the range thing for some people is probably not about daily drive range but more about that "What if time" for example: What if i need to haul these gianormous (insert any random thing here) can i do it? Then the answer will probably be no for those people.

Those what if moments are rare of-course this doesn't apply to all some people do those "rare" things more on daily basis then most of us do. So they wouldn't look at an EV to begin with because they don't met their demand either way. So in that aspect i believe we will still need Diesels for a while longer but i do believe Petrol will be phased out before Diesel will.

But yeah for most people they will do fine with today's EV's range, but what i find more annoying about EVs at this point at this time is the weight of the cars, if manufactures could focus a bit more on reducing their weight it would both improve range and the dynamic of the cars.

My best bet is if BMW would focus more on reducing the weight of the car the range will improve on its own, with that at the same time keeping up with OTA updates improving efficiency of current tech so people can feel a bit "safe" or "comfortable" with their choice of car so it wont feel obsolete in a year or two.

I just find it odd to shop for a vehicle based on rare occasions vs what you truly use it for daily.

I understand the person who commutes 300 miles daily for work, but I don't understand the person who commutes 300 miles twice a year.

For me, I can charge each night if I need to on my garage, I drive 95% city, and I drive literally 2 days out of the week at less than 15 miles total since I work at home. My range will likely be closer to 350-400 miles because its 95% city driving.

Having a low maintanence vehicle with the luxury of having a "full tank of fuel each time I press the start button from home," this car works for me.

I can still take road trips, rare, but the range is sufficient to DC fast charge every 150 or 200 miles if needed on EA networks which is free for 2 years @ 30 mins/session.

But yes, the weight of this thing is rather high. My M4cs is about 3,650 lbs, so adjusting to 4,883lbs (DIN weight) will be different once mine arrives, but I rarely use my current car for what it was intended for. 95% of the time I'm doing a grocery store/liquior store run with it, so the M50 makes sense for me as Florida has crazy rain storms between May-Oct so I do need AWD, with the added bonus of acceleration that I likely won't use much.

[techwhiz1]

You don't purchase based on "maybe I want to take a road trip" and they don't design for 400 miles when the typical car rarely travels 100 miles a day let alone 300.

If you always plug in you will have a full tank days.

100 miles a day during the week every day amounts to 25k miles a year.

When I was going to Silicon Valley everyday O would do about 80 miles round trip. Add weekends and I could hit 24k miles in a year. But none of that was a 300 mile trip.

Adding the extra battery or more lightweight material to get more range will only increase cost for the 95% to benefit the 5%. That is a horrible tradeoff.

200+/- works for me. As long as I can get to Laguna Seca and back I'm golden.