KW v3 or Clubsport???

Beedub · 06-19-2011, 12:06 PM

hi guys, im so pleased kw finally revised the way you adjust the bump/rebound and other settings on these kits, i was so against the old whole system with that fiddly tool that i completly rules those out, now as some of you may know i have a vt2-500 z4m roadster, i do around 5-10 trackdays a year but also really enjoy using my car on the road, it is however strictly a weekend vehicle..

which way should i go??? id hate to get the v3s and think... man i shudda got the CS, these are too soft, then also id hate to get the CS and think dammnn these are not suited to road use i shudda gone V3.....

i want to keep the ride height as close to stock as possible which i believe both kits offer, can anyone shed some light on your personal experience??

im thinking V3 with top mounts WILL be more than enough for an occasional track driven vehicle and ill be able to stiffen them via the adjustment to get a stiffer V3....

any opinions??

schwank · 06-19-2011, 02:35 PM

I only do a few track events a year, and I love the v3's. I have no experience with the clubsports, and I've never had custom suspension before.

z4mnyc · 06-19-2011, 03:50 PM

IMO it depends on how much track time the car will see.

Beedub · 06-19-2011, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by z4mnyc

IMO it depends on how much track time the car will see.

betweem 5-10 per summer usually.....

if i go to V3 am going to notice a massive difference in cornering performance......

inTgr8r · 06-19-2011, 03:57 PM

crfine has had both, check out his mod thread

JMO, but tracking 5-10 with your set up I'd definitely be looking for a CO with linear springs.

z4mnyc · 06-20-2011, 01:26 AM

5-10 per year is a decent amount of track time. Get the Club Sports.

Beedub · 06-20-2011, 01:36 AM

Guys is the clubsport really uncomfortable?? Will i be able to attack a bumpy country b road!!??

z4mnyc · 06-20-2011, 02:55 AM

I think you would be happy with it. Even for long trips as long as the road is reasonably well maintained.

If you drive on a road which has a really bumpy surface like some sections of freeway around here then the car will become a little unsettled and bounce.

Beedub · 06-20-2011, 07:10 AM

ok clubsport it is ;-) with the new adjustment system this is now imo the best off the shelf option.....

onelove · 06-20-2011, 09:50 AM

ClubSport is a great setup, I've put them on numerous vehicles and found them to be a very comfortable shock to daily drive, that really shines on the track. Ride quality is just as much in dampening vs springrates, and I think a lot of people play into the progressive springs far too much. In most cases the clubsports also come with upper mounts, which make the price differential not as severe as it initially seems.

cgroppi · 06-20-2011, 10:39 AM

For track or autocross, the progressive rear springs on the V3s are going to cause problems. I would go with something that offers linear springs all around. I had racecomp T2s on my old STi, which are KW V3s with linear rear springs and modified damping settings. They were great.

krnnerdboy · 07-22-2011, 08:33 PM

hmmm...gets me thinking. I'd like to replace the v3 springs with something linear...anyone do this or are there any recommendations?

inTgr8r · 07-22-2011, 08:44 PM

linear all the way...
Chris re[placed his V3 with Clubsport.
I went from Eibach lowering springs, to GC's then to KW Clubsport.

dorifto88 · 07-22-2011, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krnnerdboy

hmmm...gets me thinking. I'd like to replace the v3 springs with something linear...anyone do this or are there any recommendations?

Mmm I read a while ago that some people are having sucess swapping their kw progressive springs for swift springs.

dorifto88 · 07-22-2011, 09:54 PM

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=329544

Beedub · 07-31-2011, 05:21 PM

slight bump on this.... should i be worried about deformed front suspension turrets?? im reading that stiff coilovers like KW clubsports can cause deformation??

Finnegan · 08-09-2011, 11:22 AM

Bump. I'd like to know for future planning too.

inTgr8r · 08-09-2011, 11:37 AM

I haven't heard anything that relates this issue to the coilover itself.
There are definitely much stiffer setups being run on other CO's
TCKs & GC for example can be ordered with much stiffer springs than KW Clubsports.
My Clubsports are definitely softer than the GCs that I had.

IMO, car usage is probably a more important factor than the CO itself.

Also related to this topic;
it has been speculated that using a STB helps.
Supposedly the ring on the top adds stability to the area.

I haven't looked for a long time, but there also used to be reinforcement cups available to strengthen this area.

Beedub · 08-11-2011, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inTgr8r

I haven't heard anything that relates this issue to the coilover itself.
There are definitely much stiffer setups being run on other CO's
TCKs & GC for example can be ordered with much stiffer springs than KW Clubsports.
My Clubsports are definitely softer than the GCs that I had.

IMO, car usage is probably a more important factor than the CO itself.

Also related to this topic;
it has been speculated that using a STB helps.
Supposedly the ring on the top adds stability to the area.

I haven't looked for a long time, but there also used to be reinforcement cups available to strengthen this area.

thankyou for the info.... ive 100% decided that the v3 with camber plates will be more than enough for me :-) ill never have to worryabout deformation with these ;-) plus i feel that it'll be a big step forward from stock also.....

SmartBastard · 03-25-2012, 10:56 AM

Does anyone have any experience with KW competition? A friend of mine wants to upgrade from V3 to competition and I'm not sure if to get competition as well or just clubsport. Does competition make the car unusable on road?

Beedub · 03-25-2012, 02:54 PM

in the end i went with clubsports with Re mounts and bmw front strut reinforcement..... just havent fitted them all yet!!! trying to get alittle more use out of my stock items....

KW competition looks Very serious!!

tikamak · 03-26-2012, 03:14 AM

I went with KW V3 since i feel that they will offer me more grip than the Clubsports on bad country roads and thin pavement as well as keeping my car a disciplined and civilized car.

I have an M Roadster and i am tailoring my mods to make it a better and faster roadster, not in the direction of a motorsport track car.

It took me a while to understand the beauty of a Roadster, I used to feel like i am lacking a roof and rigidity until it hit me that my car's beauty is top down, summer breeze, loud throaty voices, comfortable yet very sporty (KW V3) and fast as f*ck

06-19-2011, 12:06 PM	#1
Beedub Major General 423 Rep 5,327 Posts Drives: 2007 Z4 M roadster vt2-500 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	KW v3 or Clubsport??? hi guys, im so pleased kw finally revised the way you adjust the bump/rebound and other settings on these kits, i was so against the old whole system with that fiddly tool that i completly rules those out, now as some of you may know i have a vt2-500 z4m roadster, i do around 5-10 trackdays a year but also really enjoy using my car on the road, it is however strictly a weekend vehicle.. which way should i go??? id hate to get the v3s and think... man i shudda got the CS, these are too soft, then also id hate to get the CS and think dammnn these are not suited to road use i shudda gone V3..... i want to keep the ride height as close to stock as possible which i believe both kits offer, can anyone shed some light on your personal experience?? im thinking V3 with top mounts WILL be more than enough for an occasional track driven vehicle and ill be able to stiffen them via the adjustment to get a stiffer V3.... any opinions?? __________________ Z4MR VT2 - Clubsport build. Multi award winning Detailing \| Wrap \| PPF specialists UK based - www.topwrapz.com
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schwank First Lieutenant 30 Rep 317 Posts Drives: 06 z4 m coupe Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: cincinnati iTrader: (0)	I only do a few track events a year, and I love the v3's. I have no experience with the clubsports, and I've never had custom suspension before.
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z4mnyc Private First Class 14 Rep 191 Posts Drives: Z4 M Coupe Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: New York iTrader: (2)	IMO it depends on how much track time the car will see. __________________ \| Z4MC \| KW Clubsport \| BBS-RGR 19 + Bridgestone RE11 \| BBS-RGR 18 + Hoosier R6 \| Sparco DTM RS \| Vorshlag mounts \| Braille battery \| Euro Headers \| Supersprint exhaust \| Stoptech lines \| Stongstrut \| TCK camber arms \| UUC SSK \| APR GT-200 wing & splitter \| ESS Tune \| Speedware Motorsports custom roll cage \| Schroth harness \|
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inTgr8r Lieutenant General 2426 Rep 11,667 Posts Drives: M2 Comp Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Toronto iTrader: (10)	crfine has had both, check out his mod thread JMO, but tracking 5-10 with your set up I'd definitely be looking for a CO with linear springs. __________________ '21 M2C Hockenheim Silver '18 718 Cayman S Lava Orange (sold) '13 E92 M3 Santorini Blue (sold) '07 Z4 M Coupe Alpine White (sold)
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z4mnyc Private First Class 14 Rep 191 Posts Drives: Z4 M Coupe Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: New York iTrader: (2)	5-10 per year is a decent amount of track time. Get the Club Sports. __________________ \| Z4MC \| KW Clubsport \| BBS-RGR 19 + Bridgestone RE11 \| BBS-RGR 18 + Hoosier R6 \| Sparco DTM RS \| Vorshlag mounts \| Braille battery \| Euro Headers \| Supersprint exhaust \| Stoptech lines \| Stongstrut \| TCK camber arms \| UUC SSK \| APR GT-200 wing & splitter \| ESS Tune \| Speedware Motorsports custom roll cage \| Schroth harness \|
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Beedub Major General 423 Rep 5,327 Posts Drives: 2007 Z4 M roadster vt2-500 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	Guys is the clubsport really uncomfortable?? Will i be able to attack a bumpy country b road!!?? __________________ Z4MR VT2 - Clubsport build. Multi award winning Detailing \| Wrap \| PPF specialists UK based - www.topwrapz.com
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z4mnyc Private First Class 14 Rep 191 Posts Drives: Z4 M Coupe Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: New York iTrader: (2)	I think you would be happy with it. Even for long trips as long as the road is reasonably well maintained. If you drive on a road which has a really bumpy surface like some sections of freeway around here then the car will become a little unsettled and bounce. __________________ \| Z4MC \| KW Clubsport \| BBS-RGR 19 + Bridgestone RE11 \| BBS-RGR 18 + Hoosier R6 \| Sparco DTM RS \| Vorshlag mounts \| Braille battery \| Euro Headers \| Supersprint exhaust \| Stoptech lines \| Stongstrut \| TCK camber arms \| UUC SSK \| APR GT-200 wing & splitter \| ESS Tune \| Speedware Motorsports custom roll cage \| Schroth harness \|
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Beedub Major General 423 Rep 5,327 Posts Drives: 2007 Z4 M roadster vt2-500 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	ok clubsport it is ;-) with the new adjustment system this is now imo the best off the shelf option..... __________________ Z4MR VT2 - Clubsport build. Multi award winning Detailing \| Wrap \| PPF specialists UK based - www.topwrapz.com
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onelove Track Head 24 Rep 503 Posts Drives: 07 Z4M Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Orlando,FL iTrader: (0)	ClubSport is a great setup, I've put them on numerous vehicles and found them to be a very comfortable shock to daily drive, that really shines on the track. Ride quality is just as much in dampening vs springrates, and I think a lot of people play into the progressive springs far too much. In most cases the clubsports also come with upper mounts, which make the price differential not as severe as it initially seems. __________________ 2004 Porsche GT3 \|White HRE R40 Monoblocks \| KW Clubsport Suspension \| RSS Lower Control Arms and Suspension Links \| GT3RS Wing and Front Bumper \| Cup Car Lip \| Euro GT3 Seat \| GMG Half Cage \| Europipe Exhaust \| EPL Tuning
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cgroppi Private 2 Rep 64 Posts Drives: 2007 Z4 M Coupe Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Tempe, AZ iTrader: (0)	For track or autocross, the progressive rear springs on the V3s are going to cause problems. I would go with something that offers linear springs all around. I had racecomp T2s on my old STi, which are KW V3s with linear rear springs and modified damping settings. They were great.
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07-22-2011, 08:33 PM	#12
krnnerdboy Colonel 190 Rep 2,431 Posts Drives: v10 m6 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: so cal iTrader: (10)	hmmm...gets me thinking. I'd like to replace the v3 springs with something linear...anyone do this or are there any recommendations? __________________ F80 m3, 997 gt3, 14 ram ctd, f15 x5, drz400sm Gone:z4m, boss 302, c6 z06, m6,z3m
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inTgr8r Lieutenant General 2426 Rep 11,667 Posts Drives: M2 Comp Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Toronto iTrader: (10)	linear all the way... Chris re[placed his V3 with Clubsport. I went from Eibach lowering springs, to GC's then to KW Clubsport. __________________ '21 M2C Hockenheim Silver '18 718 Cayman S Lava Orange (sold) '13 E92 M3 Santorini Blue (sold) '07 Z4 M Coupe Alpine White (sold)
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Beedub Major General 423 Rep 5,327 Posts Drives: 2007 Z4 M roadster vt2-500 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	slight bump on this.... should i be worried about deformed front suspension turrets?? im reading that stiff coilovers like KW clubsports can cause deformation?? __________________ Z4MR VT2 - Clubsport build. Multi award winning Detailing \| Wrap \| PPF specialists UK based - www.topwrapz.com
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Finnegan Dog Listener 701 Rep 7,850 Posts Drives: Z4M/. Z3M, E36/46 M3 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Teaching the dog to slalom iTrader: (22)	Bump. I'd like to know for future planning too.
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inTgr8r Lieutenant General 2426 Rep 11,667 Posts Drives: M2 Comp Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Toronto iTrader: (10)	I haven't heard anything that relates this issue to the coilover itself. There are definitely much stiffer setups being run on other CO's TCKs & GC for example can be ordered with much stiffer springs than KW Clubsports. My Clubsports are definitely softer than the GCs that I had. IMO, car usage is probably a more important factor than the CO itself. Also related to this topic; it has been speculated that using a STB helps. Supposedly the ring on the top adds stability to the area. I haven't looked for a long time, but there also used to be reinforcement cups available to strengthen this area. __________________ '21 M2C Hockenheim Silver '18 718 Cayman S Lava Orange (sold) '13 E92 M3 Santorini Blue (sold) '07 Z4 M Coupe Alpine White (sold)
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SmartBastard Stupid as shit 25 Rep 367 Posts Drives: '08 M Coupe Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Vienna, Austria iTrader: (0)	Does anyone have any experience with KW competition? A friend of mine wants to upgrade from V3 to competition and I'm not sure if to get competition as well or just clubsport. Does competition make the car unusable on road?
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Beedub Major General 423 Rep 5,327 Posts Drives: 2007 Z4 M roadster vt2-500 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	in the end i went with clubsports with Re mounts and bmw front strut reinforcement..... just havent fitted them all yet!!! trying to get alittle more use out of my stock items.... KW competition looks Very serious!! __________________ Z4MR VT2 - Clubsport build. Multi award winning Detailing \| Wrap \| PPF specialists UK based - www.topwrapz.com
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03-26-2012, 03:14 AM	#22
tikamak Captain 58 Rep 912 Posts Drives: 2006 Z4M Roadster TiAG/black Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Beirut iTrader: (0)	I went with KW V3 since i feel that they will offer me more grip than the Clubsports on bad country roads and thin pavement as well as keeping my car a disciplined and civilized car. I have an M Roadster and i am tailoring my mods to make it a better and faster roadster, not in the direction of a motorsport track car. It took me a while to understand the beauty of a Roadster, I used to feel like i am lacking a roof and rigidity until it hit me that my car's beauty is top down, summer breeze, loud throaty voices, comfortable yet very sporty (KW V3) and fast as f*ck
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