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      01-23-2020, 03:09 PM   #6029
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I missed hooligan_COLD comment about being paid.

For what it's worth, it would most likely be an unpaid position. Though there is a precedent of certain "sweetheart deals" being made for those carrying such a position. Being a private citizen makes this "legal".

Jesse Jackson held such a position to promote democracy in Africa during the 90s.
FWIW, I made no mention of Rudy being paid or unpaid, I don't think.

I simply pointed out his apparent unofficial status and how that doesn't seem to be the most reasonable way for our government to go about addressing Ukrainian corruption.
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Source? Or are you just making things up again?
Pretty sure that was an allusion to Bolton's alleged quote according to Fiona Hill.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...al/3983310002/

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      01-23-2020, 03:15 PM   #6031
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FWIW, I made no mention of Rudy being paid or unpaid, I don't think.

I simply pointed out his apparent unofficial status and how that doesn't seem to be the most reasonable way for our government to go about addressing Ukrainian corruption.
You asked who was paying him, thats what I was referring to.

EDIT: Can't disagree with you about it being the most reasonable way. But by now, we cant really call much of anything Trump does as "reasonable" to most people's standards.

Roll with me for a second, If we assume that Trump was acting to root out Ukrainian corruption in general, he would want someone he 100% trusts involved there. Who better than his longtime friend and personal attorney?

Not saying thats the case, but just some perspective.

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      01-23-2020, 04:16 PM   #6032
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You asked who was paying him, thats what I was referring to.

EDIT: Can't disagree with you about it being the most reasonable way. But by now, we cant really call much of anything Trump does as "reasonable" to most people's standards.

Roll with me for a second, If we assume that Trump was acting to root out Ukrainian corruption in general, he would want someone he 100% trusts involved there. Who better than his longtime friend and personal attorney?

Not saying thats the case, but just some perspective.
Actually, it was DETRoadster that asked who was paying him, but I think we both agree that's beside the point.

Sorry, I can't "roll with you" on your premise. There is absolutely nothing about Trump's actions (or even words), either in the White House or out, that would indicate he gives two shits about "fighting corruption".

Someone he "100% trusts" to do what, exactly? Rudy isn't some shit-hot detective or private investigator, he's a politico and an attorney.
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      01-23-2020, 04:18 PM   #6033
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Relax man, I wasn't accusing you of making such a statement.
Fair enough. Mea culpa.

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It was a rhetorical question on the proposition that Rudy as a private lawyer can act on behalf of his client, even if his client is POTUS. Meaning lawyers who defend POTUS don't have to be a government attorney.

All Presidents have personal attorneys to defend themselves against whackjobs like Pelosi, Schiff, Nadler, et al.
Correct, there is nothing wrong with the President having personal attorneys.

What was Rudy "defending" Trump from in Ukraine prior to the Whistle Blower complaint, pray tell? Remember the call with President Zelensky was well before the complain was submitted and Rudy was already neck-deep in the whole shit-show.
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      01-23-2020, 04:21 PM   #6035
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Source? Or are you just making things up again?
John Bolton.
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Gonzo has hit a new low.
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From Trump's social media director...

https://mobile.twitter.com/DanScavin..._e_coyote.html

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Gonzo has hit a new low.
Because of all the evidence that Giuliani is a lying slimeball conspiracy theorist?

Instead of sheep, do you count Giulianis jumping over a fence to go to sleep?
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      01-23-2020, 05:08 PM   #6040
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Trump did nothing besides be an asshole to warrant being impeached and removed from office. Sure what he did was wrong (and foolish), but, not wrong enough.

Question: can we impeach and remove from this forum a handful of posters for being assholes?
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Trump did nothing besides be an asshole to warrant being impeached and removed from office. Sure what he did was wrong (and foolish), but, not wrong enough.

Question: can we impeach and remove from this forum a handful of posters for being assholes?
All you have to do is not post anymore........
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All you have to do is not post anymore........
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Can we please get real here for a second. Trump and the Republicans are corrupt! Pelosi and the Democrats are corrupt! The democrats impeached Trump in the house only because they had majority. Trump because of the Republican majority will get aquited in the senate. Since we all know how this ends, why are we currently arguing on which side is more corrupt?
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What - and lose his dazzling wit and wisdom?
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Have you ran for office? Have you been an elected official? Being an elected official is anything but easy, it's a thankless role - and frankly very few ppl have what it takes to do it at all let alone well. To suggest they are all corrupt is categorically false.

Our system isn't perfect and yes the politicians have to be money making campaign finance machines in order to be elected or re-elected - but that doesn't make them all corrupt sorry.

Most ppl don't even know Senators, congressmen or even local elected officials personally. I've been fortunate to know several national and statewide politicians and the ones I know are trying to positively impact or country and city.

The internet and the trolls in other countries want nothing more than to sow dissent in America making is mistrust our system and our govt.

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What - and lose his dazzling wit and wisdom?
Feel free to debate anytime.......
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Right now, 830pm, CNN is showing the impeachment hearings. Fox is showing Hannity.

Enough said.....
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Right now, 830pm, CNN is showing the impeachment hearings. Fox is showing Hannity.

Enough said.....
I agree, Fox is smart enough to know no one wants to watch this sham impeachment shit show.

Appreciate you pointing this out.
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Have you ran for office? Have you been an elected official? Being an elected official is anything but easy, it's a thankless role - and frankly very few ppl have what it takes to do it at all let alone well. To suggest they are all corrupt is categorically false.

Our system isn't perfect and yes the politicians have to be money making campaign finance machines in order to be elected or re-elected - but that doesn't make them all corrupt sorry.

Most ppl don't even know Senators, congressmen or even local elected officials personally. I've been fortunate to know several national and statewide politicians and the ones I know are trying to positively impact or country and city.

The internet and the trolls in other countries want nothing more than to sow dissent in America making is mistrust our system and our govt.

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Adam, is that you?

I was a lobbyist in 9 states and Washington, DC and I disagree with much of what you say here. The system is corrupt and most are beholden to the national party and NOT their constituents once they reach the national level. Further, the money that changes hands through lobbying firms and businesses nullifies the voting of the citizenry.

For the most part they pay lip service to their constituents and play the power game once back in DC.

And lets not even bring up voting themselves pay raises in the dead of night, exempting themselves from the provisions of the Affordable Care Act, and for the coup de gras: Coming to congress paupers and leaving as multi-millionaires. If not them, then their families are enriched. Yes, Joe Biden...I'm talking about you. Yes, Bernie Sanders...I'm talking about your wife and her "media buying company with one client: Your campaign.

It's a corrupt mess and only a fool would believe that it works. It's this:
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More class from the GOP?


https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/23/polit...wer/index.html

Republican Sen. Marsha Blackburn spent hours attacking Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, a key National Security Council aide who testified before Congress on the Ukraine scandal, on Twitter Thursday, including questioning the Purple Heart recipient's patriotism


https://www.newsweek.com/marsha-tren...g-book-1483791

"Marsha" began trending on Twitter across America on Thursday afternoon after Republican Senator Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee questioned Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman's patriotism and said she's reading a book.......
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