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      01-24-2020, 01:50 AM   #6051
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The captain is going to pop a blood vessel in a few weeks. Lol
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Giuliani was on the tube earlier and showed some of his cards in hand. Sure sounds like a bunch of very incriminating evidence about Ukraine, Biden’s, Ukrainian Embassy and much more. Rudy’s been a very busy guy working hard gathering evidence and he’s been sitting on it till just the right time, that time has come. Today at noon on his podcast he’ll be revealing some of it to Americans.
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I was a lobbyist in 9 states and Washington, DC

I couldn't imagine the lens through which a lobbyist see's our system. My cousin is one and I get what you are saying I do.

But that doesn't mean our gov't is all corrupt or the men and women serving ALL have corrupt hearts, there are plenty who are good people.

When you hold PUBLIC office on a national scale you are already successful to some degree usually... and you absolutely do rub elbows with other successful business men and women who will want you to be a part of their company, via consulting or being in their board, but that still doesn't make them corrupt.

Lobbyists have to do a fair amount of shmoozing I get it... Did you take your constituents to Burger King? No of course not.
If after your lobbying career you were offered $20,000 for speaking engagements, why wouldn't you?
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Giuliani was on the tube earlier and showed some of his cards in hand. Sure sounds like a bunch of very incriminating evidence about Ukraine, Biden’s, Ukrainian Embassy and much more. Rudy’s been a very busy guy working hard gathering evidence and he’s been sitting on it till just the right time, that time has come. Today at noon on his podcast he’ll be revealing some of it to Americans.


This like the pieces of paper he was waving around as "affidavits" back in the fall, yet wouldn't let anyone look at?

Rudy has, sadly, turned into a clown. How the mighty have fallen.

I'll believe Rudy actually has something when it's out there for all to see and not a second before.

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I'll believe Rudy actually has something when it's out there for all to see and not a second before.
I agree here. Like a lot of folks in Washington right now (on both sides), he's been nothing but a puppet.
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IF what he releases today has some teeth it could signal an upcoming avalanche.
IF what he releases today is akin to a toothless person trying to eat raw corn off the cob, then I will be disappointed and 'may' concede to his informations weight and my prediction.

It could be a tease that seems harmless until you lean back for a day or so and see who does and doesn't do what.

Entertaining though.
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So you're OK with a senator not paying attention during an impeachment trial, calling a veteran "unpatriotic", and reading an alt right book during the proceedings?

Shame on you!
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So you're OK with a senator not paying attention during an impeachment trial, calling a veteran "unpatriotic", and reading an alt right book during the proceedings?

Shame on you!
Why is everything you do not agree with "alt-right". I dont think you understand what that means.
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Or, he's going to corn-hole Biden
Trump hugging Governor Abbott in Davos and asking him if he wanted a ride back on Air Force One...

Sending out the Roadrunner Schiff parody...

Tweeting a pic of Obama spying...

He's in a really good mood...

These want to tell me he knows this cornholio exercise is near.
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Have you ran for office? Have you been an elected official? Being an elected official is anything but easy, it's a thankless role - and frankly very few ppl have what it takes to do it at all let alone well. To suggest they are all corrupt is categorically false.

Our system isn't perfect and yes the politicians have to be money making campaign finance machines in order to be elected or re-elected - but that doesn't make them all corrupt sorry.

Most ppl don't even know Senators, congressmen or even local elected officials personally. I've been fortunate to know several national and statewide politicians and the ones I know are trying to positively impact or country and city.

The internet and the trolls in other countries want nothing more than to sow dissent in America making is mistrust our system and our govt.

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Yes, in local gov and yes it does suck. no matter what you do, you are doing it wrong to someone. thought it was something i wanted to do for a long time and maybe work my way up the chain, but nope, fuck that.

The second bolded/italicized item is the key here. Countries like Russia have had the objective to topple western democracy for forever. This latest election cycle is proof of that. Starting up internet troll campaigns for Hillary in the primaries, and continuing into the presidential election. IMCO, the goal was never to get Trump elected, it was to create an illusion that the election was influenced. No matter who won, their fingerprints were all over it and would cast doubt over our democratic process.

That is how you take down a super power. You dont do it with missiles and bombs and traditional warfare, you do it from the inside with division, doubt and scandal.
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I couldn't imagine the lens through which a lobbyist see's our system. My cousin is one and I get what you are saying I do.

But that doesn't mean our gov't is all corrupt or the men and women serving ALL have corrupt hearts, there are plenty who are good people.

When you hold PUBLIC office on a national scale you are already successful to some degree usually... and you absolutely do rub elbows with other successful business men and women who will want you to be a part of their company, via consulting or being in their board, but that still doesn't make them corrupt.

Lobbyists have to do a fair amount of shmoozing I get it... Did you take your constituents to Burger King? No of course not.
If after your lobbying career you were offered $20,000 for speaking engagements, why wouldn't you?
Thanks for a reasonable response to this.

I'm not saying that all of the representatives and senators are corrupt. I'm saying the system is and they quite often just get swept along in the tide rather than sticking up their heads and getting decapitated. Look at what happened to the democrat, black, female representative who said, of her own volition that perhaps we should censure Mr. Trump rather than impeach him. In less than 24 hours she recanted her statement and said that she if fully supporting Speaker Pelosi in the impeachment proceedings, etc.

What do you think happened in that 24 hour period? Let me tell you. They put the arm on her and either the DNC called her or the Speaker called her and told her the following or something very similar:

Toe the line or we will not only withhold funds from you for your next campaign, we will run someone against you in YOUR SEAT thus ejecting you from the House.

At this point she stopped representing her constituency and became a party apparatchik. Please keep in mind that this only happens on days that end in Y in the house. They wanted complete obedience in this farce and they got it through blackmail.

This is why I don't lobby and why I've turned down running for office in 3 of the states that I've lived in. I would never put my family through it and could never allow myself to become a political tool.

Cheers-mk
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Yes, in local gov and yes it does suck. no matter what you do, you are doing it wrong to someone. thought it was something i wanted to do for a long time and maybe work my way up the chain, but nope, fuck that.

The second bolded/italicized item is the key here. Countries like Russia have had the objective to topple western democracy for forever. This latest election cycle is proof of that. Starting up internet troll campaigns for Hillary in the primaries, and continuing into the presidential election. IMCO, the goal was never to get Trump elected, it was to create an illusion that the election was influenced. No matter who won, their fingerprints were all over it and would cast doubt over our democratic process.

That is how you take down a super power. You dont do it with missiles and bombs and traditional warfare, you do it from the inside with division, doubt and scandal.
First of all thank you for running for office - actually taking action - for positive change - I sincerely commend you. It's a lot harder than most people realize.

Secondly thank you for articulating the goals of our foreign adversaries as it relates to are democracy and I think you may well be 100% correct.

I hope we make it through all of this - coming together - and honestly leading with love, not fear, not greed, but by the better angels of our nature.
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First of all thank you for running for office - actually taking action - for positive change - I sincerely commend you. It's a lot harder than most people realize.

Secondly thank you for articulating the goals of our foreign adversaries as it relates to are democracy and I think you may well be 100% correct.

I hope we make it through all of this - coming together - and honestly leading with love, not fear, not greed, but by the better angels of our nature.
dont thank me, i did it for personal reasons lol. wanted something to change, ran on changing that thing, then got to office and found out it was next to impossible lol. There are a lot of rules and regulations that most people dont understand you have to follow and cant just do what you want.

Unfortunately, I dont see us coming together without things getting significantly worse. We are living in a "Hot Take Culture", where people say things just to go viral, even if they dont truly believe them. You do that enough, and eventually, its what you believe in and stand for, and thats where we are getting to.

We are also now an "Us vs Them" culture, where if someone doesnt fall in line with what you believe in, they are the enemy. I have personally seen debates between politicians/citizens with their own party get nasty because of it. Extreme left going after moderate left, extreme right going after moderate right, etc. It is almost like we dont have a 2 party system anymore, its a 4 party. Extremes and moderates of both sides, and no one likes the other.
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I couldn't imagine the lens through which a lobbyist see's our system. My cousin is one and I get what you are saying I do.

But that doesn't mean our gov't is all corrupt or the men and women serving ALL have corrupt hearts, there are plenty who are good people.

When you hold PUBLIC office on a national scale you are already successful to some degree usually... and you absolutely do rub elbows with other successful business men and women who will want you to be a part of their company, via consulting or being in their board, but that still doesn't make them corrupt.

Lobbyists have to do a fair amount of shmoozing I get it... Did you take your constituents to Burger King? No of course not.
If after your lobbying career you were offered $20,000 for speaking engagements, why wouldn't you?
Thanks for a reasonable response to this.

I'm not saying that all of the representatives and senators are corrupt. I'm saying the system is and they quite often just get swept along in the tide rather than sticking up their heads and getting decapitated. Look at what happened to the democrat, black, female representative who said, of her own volition that perhaps we should censure Mr. Trump rather than impeach him. In less than 24 hours she recanted her statement and said that she if fully supporting Speaker Pelosi in the impeachment proceedings, etc.

What do you think happened in that 24 hour period? Let me tell you. They put the arm on her and either the DNC called her or the Speaker called her and told her the following or something very similar:

Toe the line or we will not only withhold funds from you for your next campaign, we will run someone against you in YOUR SEAT thus ejecting you from the House.

At this point she stopped representing her constituency and became a party apparatchik. Please keep in mind that this only happens on days that end in Y in the house. They wanted complete obedience in this farce and they got it through blackmail.

This is why I don't lobby and why I've turned down running for office in 3 of the states that I've lived in. I would never put my family through it and could never allow myself to become a political tool.

Cheers-mk

Well - and to your point - self funded individuals generally are seen by the public as not being beholden to party and able to act more independently - I've seen it locally and we are seeing it now nationally. But systems are still important - (and I do think they are changing) and the one we have is the one we have, for now anyway, and the rebellious types who get elected still have to work from within the constraints of the system - something this president has struggled with. And of course he has - he kinda answers to nobody - in his mind.

I don't think his intentions were wrong - but his actions I do think we're dangerous for the system we have. Without a system - as everyone reading this knows - you have chaos - and although living within our system can suck - I think most moderates would agree it's better than helter skelter.
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Thanks for a reasonable response to this.

I'm not saying that all of the representatives and senators are corrupt. I'm saying the system is and they quite often just get swept along in the tide rather than sticking up their heads and getting decapitated. Look at what happened to the democrat, black, female representative who said, of her own volition that perhaps we should censure Mr. Trump rather than impeach him. In less than 24 hours she recanted her statement and said that she if fully supporting Speaker Pelosi in the impeachment proceedings, etc.

What do you think happened in that 24 hour period? Let me tell you. They put the arm on her and either the DNC called her or the Speaker called her and told her the following or something very similar:

Toe the line or we will not only withhold funds from you for your next campaign, we will run someone against you in YOUR SEAT thus ejecting you from the House.

At this point she stopped representing her constituency and became a party apparatchik. Please keep in mind that this only happens on days that end in Y in the house. They wanted complete obedience in this farce and they got it through blackmail.

This is why I don't lobby and why I've turned down running for office in 3 of the states that I've lived in. I would never put my family through it and could never allow myself to become a political tool.

Cheers-mk
The biggest issue isnt that every politician is corrupt, its that the corrupt crave the power/money where the others dont typically. and if you arent willing to sell your morals to get more power/money, you are going to get run over.

Craving power/money isnt a bad thing, but its what levels people will stoop to keep it that the good guys just cant compete with
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dont thank me, i did it for personal reasons lol. wanted something to change, ran on changing that thing, then got to office and found out it was next to impossible lol.
Pardon, but I'll admire those who step up to the plate if I want to.

And to the last poster - you are right to some degree - the pure hearts do get snuffed out by the more radical and better funded.

But that doesn't mean those with pure intentions give up!
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Well - and to your point - self funded individuals generally are seen by the public as not being beholden to party and able to act more independently - I've seen it locally and we are seeing it now nationally. But systems are still important - (and I do think they are changing) and the one we have is the one we have, for now anyway, and the rebellious types who get elected still have to work from within the constraints of the system - something this president has struggled with. And of course he has - he kinda answers to nobody - in his mind.

I don't think his intentions were wrong - but his actions I do think we're dangerous for the system we have. Without a system - as everyone reading this knows - you have chaos - and although living within our system can suck - I think most moderates would agree it's better than helter skelter.
The system is broken and chaotic. This is why we are in the shape we are in right now.

Mr. Trump is narcissist, bombastic, uncouth, and lacks impulse control with regard to twitter. He is the most imperfect messenger the people could have sent to the establishment. And he is exactly what they needed.

The very statement, "We can't leave this up to the people for the 2020 election" by either Speaker Pelosi or Mr. Schiff, speaking of Mr. Trump possibly winning again - should send shivers up the spine of every citizen in the country. Further, a prosecution for ANYTHING based on 3rd or 4th hand hearsay, should have us ALL in the streets of Washington. And that is EXACTLY what this is. Anyone saying anything else, regardless of party affiliation, is pretty much a fool.

Sadly, we are all remiss in our duties as citizens on this account.
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The nation's four living former presidents and their wives were in the first row of the National Cathedral in Washington, D.C. Alongside were President Donald Trump and his wife. Bush's eldest son, former president George W. Bush, sat nearby with his wife and extended family.

Among the mourners was the man once known to millions as America's Mayor and now Trump's personal lawyer: Rudy Giuliani. He was accompanied by — who?

The chubby man in the dark suit was Lev Parnas, a Soviet-born businessman known to few at the time.
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Remember when OJ pledged to work tirelessly for the rest of his days to find the real killer? Yeah, that's sorta how the Ukraine corruption investigation is going.

Oh, and if you are serious about fighting corruption do you work through the State Department and established diplomatic channels or send your personal lawyer?
You should re-read the Zelensky transcript. Zelensky brought up Rudy first, and trump just follow suit because he clearly already had dealings with him. He mentioned both the AG and Rudy. Not "just his personal lawyer".

EDIT: further on this, the president has the authority to assign special envoys. They can be government employee, or private citizens. They can be given a title (ambassador, for example), or not be given one at all. Senate approval is only required for official positions within the government. If he trusts Rudy, why would he not want to use him for such things? (source: https://www.justice.gov/file/20891/download)
Harry Hopkins, whose only formal training was as a Social Worker, was completely out of government before FDR made him his special envoy. Hopkins performed that function for years and during much more momentous times.
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https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/ne...nt/4531125002/


The nation's four living former presidents and their wives were in the first row of the National Cathedral in Washington, D.C. Alongside were President Donald Trump and his wife. Bush's eldest son, former president George W. Bush, sat nearby with his wife and extended family.

Among the mourners was the man once known to millions as America's Mayor and now Trump's personal lawyer: Rudy Giuliani. He was accompanied by — who?

The chubby man in the dark suit was Lev Parnas, a Soviet-born businessman known to few at the time.
Does two links to the same article validate it? Or do they cancel each other out?
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https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/ne...nt/4531125002/


The nation's four living former presidents and their wives were in the first row of the National Cathedral in Washington, D.C. Alongside were President Donald Trump and his wife. Bush's eldest son, former president George W. Bush, sat nearby with his wife and extended family.

Among the mourners was the man once known to millions as America's Mayor and now Trump's personal lawyer: Rudy Giuliani. He was accompanied by — who?

The chubby man in the dark suit was Lev Parnas, a Soviet-born businessman known to few at the time.
Does two links to the same article validate it? Or do they cancel each other out?
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https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/ne...nt/4531125002/


The nation's four living former presidents and their wives were in the first row of the National Cathedral in Washington, D.C. Alongside were President Donald Trump and his wife. Bush's eldest son, former president George W. Bush, sat nearby with his wife and extended family.

Among the mourners was the man once known to millions as America's Mayor and now Trump's personal lawyer: Rudy Giuliani. He was accompanied by — who?

The chubby man in the dark suit was Lev Parnas, a Soviet-born businessman known to few at the time.
Does two links to the same article validate it? Or do they cancel each other out?
Are you confused by non-fake news?
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