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View Poll Results: Will Donald Trump be Impeached or will this blowback on Biden
Orange Trump bad. Trump gone. 84 32.43%
Trump Trump-umphant. 88 33.98%
Inclusive 18 6.95%
Biden C4'd to oblivion. 75 28.96%
Biden grows in strength and gets shot in the arm for nomination. 10 3.86%
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      01-22-2020, 09:05 PM   #5941
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I've done nothing wrong and have nothing to hide. I have witnesses that can corroborate my story. I have a water tight alibi. Why would I not cooperate?
I used to think like that. I really felt most people that were charged with a crime were probably guilty. Didn't have much love for defense lawyers.

Then 12 years ago my daughter's ex was trying to destroy her and he lived in FL. He sent emails under my daughter's name. He sent dozens and dozens and also went to the DA with his notebook full of documents.

My daughter lives in WV and since the letters "came to him TO FL. FL had jurisdiction and they do not allow the defendant to telcom from outside the state.

Bottom line I lined up the best criminal defense lawyer in Orlando. The Trial was nothing more than appearance before a judge to appeal a charge of stalking and he was seeking a protective order which he would use to cause her to loose her job (She was a Nurse) and other bad things.

The Judge of course knew the lawyer. They approached the bench, the judge asked if she did it. She said "No your honor". Case dismissed-cost to me $11,000.

I will never assume an individual charged with a crime is guilty. It carries over to the witch hunt going on now.
Man, that's terrible. Sorry to hear your daughter went through that! You're a good dad to help her through all that, especially with the financial support. Good on ya!

As for the current predicament, I'm trying to stay open minded. I'd really like to hear from the people who were in the inner circle and have first hand knowledge of events. Mulvaney, Pence, Bolton, Pompeo, Rudy, etc. I really want to hear their side of the story.
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      01-22-2020, 09:20 PM   #5942
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Good, great give our country Pence! I am sure most reasonable individuals here from either side of the isle would GLADLY have Pence > Trump.

I know I 100% would. And I gave Trump a chance, he just a hot mess when it comes to actually governing.
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Good, great give our country Pence! I am sure most reasonable individuals here from either side of the isle would GLADLY have Pence > Trump.

I know I 100% would. And I gave Trump a chance, he just a hot mess when it comes to actually governing.
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      01-22-2020, 09:29 PM   #5944
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      01-22-2020, 10:49 PM   #5945
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      01-23-2020, 03:44 AM   #5946
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Just about sums it up for me,just worried about poor Bill C if nothing comes of this as I suspect it will Hilary will have Bill's Mustang crushed.
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      01-23-2020, 04:09 AM   #5947
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He completely has his right to do that in the Senate trial. Everything you said is completely wrong. Those are not rights afforded the accused in an investigation.

Though there's really no executive privilege any senate impeachment trial
That how it was handle in every other impeachment, the request for documents and going to courts occured to get them happen in the house not in the senate.
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      01-23-2020, 04:15 AM   #5948
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As the original reply, why didn't the house conducted the investigation properly. It not the job of the accuse to prove innocents.
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      01-23-2020, 06:30 AM   #5949
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I'm going to quote this so it keeps coming up. An important distinction I hadn't heard before.
Appreciate it, and I don't think I've ever heard that argument before either, but it makes a certain amount of sense.

Like with most things surrounding the Constitution, I'm sure you can find some writings that oppose that interpretation, as well.

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That's Cruz the politician speaking, not Cruz the lawyer.

For the millionth time, whether Hunter and Joe actually did anything "corrupt" is beside the point regarding whether Trump abused the power of his office or obstructed Congress.
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      01-23-2020, 06:59 AM   #5951
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How long do dems think this narrative will hoodwink Americans?

Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio,
"I don't know what Hunter Biden has to do with the phone call,"

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* I think Nadler has been muzzled by Schiff and possibly won't speak again after causing the admonishment.
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      01-23-2020, 07:02 AM   #5952
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Surprisingly, Brown is correct on this one. Broken clock and all that, I suppose.
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How long do dems think this narrative will hoodwink Americans?

Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio,
"I don't know what Hunter Biden has to do with the phone call,"

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* I think Nadler has been muzzled by Schiff and possibly won't speak again after causing the admonishment.
Do you not find it odd that Trump was not particularly interested in fighting general corruption in Ukraine (funds were already certified to have crossed that hurdle), rather he was specifically interested in an investigation of this one specific company with one specific name being mentioned?
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Do you not find it odd that Trump was not particularly interested in fighting all corruption in Ukraine (funds were already certified to have crossed that hurdle), rather he was specifically interested in an investigation of this one specific company with one specific name being mentioned?
I baffles me that people believe trump cares about rooting out corruption
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Weren't all Senators supposed to be present during these opening statements? Why were 22 GOP senators not present during these statements?

Talk about a sham trial.
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I baffles me that people believe trump cares about rooting out corruption
They don't. It's simply an expedient/convenient shield to hide behind. Everyone knows what Trump was really after, they just don't care.

For a white male billionaire that is currently the most powerful man on the planet, he's really good at playing the victim.
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Do you not find it odd that Trump was not particularly interested in fighting general corruption in Ukraine (funds were already certified to have crossed that hurdle), rather he was specifically interested in an investigation of this one specific company with one specific name being mentioned?
Not really, unless you can provide a list of companies/people he should also be looking at and why. I'd be happy to review them.
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After day one, Trump hating Slate said the Senate was victorious. I know, shocking.

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I could have told you that in Nov....
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Do you not find it odd that Trump was not particularly interested in fighting general corruption in Ukraine (funds were already certified to have crossed that hurdle), rather he was specifically interested in an investigation of this one specific company with one specific name being mentioned?
I'm not trying to be snooty but didn't The NYT and Politico open the Hunter can of worms to begin with, about 18 months ago?
Going off recollection.
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I'm not trying to be snooty but didn't The NYT and Politico open the Hunter can of worms to begin with, about 18 months ago?
Going off recollection.
I would say the "can of worms" was opened back when Hunter accepted the position on the board in 2014 - it was well covered and discussed at the time.

Funny it didn't become a hot-button with conservatives until this past summer. Why would that be, one must wonder?
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