OEM M5 Brake crossover to a Z4M (no pics yet)

Beedub · 06-29-2012, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Beedub

those better not be your shoes barney...... fo Realll.....

btw i like the upgrade BUT.... BUT... are you aware that Ap, Brembo, stoptech, alcon and the likes spent huge amount of time getting the piston sizes to match so you still get a nice pedal ect ect....

that said you may get lucky and these bad boys just bolt right on..... if it was me, id have gone for a top brand off the shelf BBK that was deisgned to fit our car.... they are a pain enough to fit anyway never mind fitting something that was never designed for the car..... Also the Ap 6 pot is very light... quite abit lighter than the stock caliper, you may well be adding weight on each corner here.

well done for trying though... keep it and and keep the pics coming.... with all this stopping power you better have the vt1 under the hood....

I'm still gonna try this

Go for it bro....

Please buy new kicks.

ASAP .

Z4-VILLA · 06-29-2012, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Beedub

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Originally Posted by Z4-VILLA

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Originally Posted by Beedub

those better not be your shoes barney...... fo Realll.....

btw i like the upgrade BUT.... BUT... are you aware that Ap, Brembo, stoptech, alcon and the likes spent huge amount of time getting the piston sizes to match so you still get a nice pedal ect ect....

that said you may get lucky and these bad boys just bolt right on..... if it was me, id have gone for a top brand off the shelf BBK that was deisgned to fit our car.... they are a pain enough to fit anyway never mind fitting something that was never designed for the car..... Also the Ap 6 pot is very light... quite abit lighter than the stock caliper, you may well be adding weight on each corner here.

well done for trying though... keep it and and keep the pics coming.... with all this stopping power you better have the vt1 under the hood....

I'm still gonna try this

Go for it bro....

Please buy new kicks.

ASAP .

new kicks? lol

Beedub · 06-29-2012, 10:30 AM

Shoes!!!!

Lol!!!

More pics please of brake kit

-c- · 07-02-2012, 08:46 PM

I don't see why it would screw up his brake bias or pedal to floor, after all I put on those 6 piston 135i calipers on my "I" without a problem and have grate pedal feel....and the caliper doesn't seem to be any bigger than the OEM 6 piston Brembos, but then again what the hell do I know, I'd say what the heck what do you have to loose other than some time and a little money. Do the mod their is an acceptable amount the front rotors can grow before really screwing up your brake feel.

E92M3Pilot · 07-06-2012, 09:27 PM

Love to see it works, more options for brake upgrades. GL

Z4-VILLA · 07-07-2012, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by E92M3Pilot

Love to see it works, more options for brake upgrades. GL

Thanks for the support. Official fitment testing begins next week. I will update

DataStream18 · 07-07-2012, 09:10 PM

. . .waiting!!!

Z4-VILLA · 07-07-2012, 09:59 PM

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. . .waiting!!!

if this works Im gonna be VERY happy

3002 tii · 07-07-2012, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Z4-VILLA

Thanks for the support. Official fitment testing begins next week. I will update

Is Leo doing the work? I may be at his shop this week...

Z4-VILLA · 07-08-2012, 06:47 PM

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Is Leo doing the work? I may be at his shop this week...

come by

Z4-VILLA · 07-08-2012, 06:48 PM

gotta love how everyone votes for the 3rd option lol

SmartBastard · 07-09-2012, 03:43 AM

Seen M5s on CSL and the guy was doing nice lap times, so I guess it works ..

Z4-VILLA · 07-09-2012, 06:51 AM

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Seen M5s on CSL and the guys was doing nice lap times, so I guess it works ..

I can't believe you third optioned me

SmartBastard · 07-09-2012, 09:11 AM

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I can't believe you third optioned me

After I read "gotta love how everyone votes for the 3rd option lol" .. I had to

Z4-VILLA · 07-09-2012, 02:08 PM

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After I read "gotta love how everyone votes for the 3rd option lol" .. I had to

owned again

I set myself up for it lol.

Z4-VILLA · 07-11-2012, 03:25 PM

we tried. off sets were a no go. M5 rotors were overtaking the tie rods and control arms..... well we tried

Kgolf31 · 07-11-2012, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Z4-VILLA

we tried. off sets were a no go. M5 rotors were overtaking the tie rods and control arms..... well we tried

Porsche Conversion GO!

ZStig · 07-11-2012, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Z4-VILLA

we tried. off sets were a no go. M5 rotors were overtaking the tie rods and control arms..... well we tried

at least you didn't spend too much money/time to find this out

Z4-VILLA · 07-11-2012, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dorifto88

id add another option, porsche calipers.

http://www.rallyroad.net/content/e46...apter-brackets

not what you want to hear though lol.

good luck

hmmm.....

ZStig · 07-11-2012, 07:45 PM

whats wrong with the stock brakes for the street?

Z4-VILLA · 07-12-2012, 12:50 AM

this project may see a revival if I can get Adams Rotors to make a rotor that will fit the caliper without banging into the control arms and overtaking the tie rod assembly.

It will be a matter of offsets.

The M5 Rotor is so massive that it just envelopes the control arm.

Many of you a thinking How nice it would be to be able to vote twice on the third poll option (lol) but I have a feeling this is very possible. Hopefully this doesn't lose steam as it would be real neat to have the first ever Z4 M with an OEM Brake Caliper set up from an E60 M5.

Z4-VILLA · 07-12-2012, 01:17 AM

well I just sent this email out:

I am trying to be the first tuner ever to install OEM BMW E60 M5 Brake Calipers on an E85 Z4 M. Im not interested in Brembo or anything else.
I have my mind set on using the OEM set up off of an M5. I personally think that the brakes from the M5 are superior to most aftermarket, that said I will explain the issue.

Today my Shop has tried to fit the the M5 Rotor and Caliper onto the Z4 M just to check clearances and see how a bracket can be made for the Caliper in relation to how it would need to fit for a snug mount.

We were detained at the OEM Rotors. The rotors were so thick and offset so low to the hub that it was over taking the control arm and tie rod. We looked at it for a while, and after thinking it through we decided that it was a no go. Then it occurred to me that if a rotor was re-designed with the proper offsets it could clear. A rotor would have to be made with the thickness of the original M5 Rotor but with the appropriate offset some what close to the Original Z4 M Rotor and then it would be up to my shop on our end to work around that. I imagine that it may be necessary to perhaps send out one z4 M rotor and one M5 Rotor to construct a rotor with a "hybrid offset". If this is successful it would be a serious game changer for MANY Z4 M owners considering that M5 Calipers can be found for significantly less than Popular BBK's.

If you guys accept this ambitious challenge please let me know.

View Poll Results: OEM M5 Brake transplant on a Z4M?
Dude you are insane, do it and please the ///M gods.	4	22.22%
No way it will work.	0	0%
This thread is already lame, please change your name for the 5th time and go away forever.	12	66.67%
I am interested in this and if it works would like to be next in line	0	0%
Why not go with Brembo?	1	5.56%
the juice isn't worth the squeeze	4	22.22%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 18. You may not vote on this poll

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-c- Colonel 886 Rep 2,736 Posts Drives: bmw Join Date: May 2010 Location: Chicago iTrader: (5)	I don't see why it would screw up his brake bias or pedal to floor, after all I put on those 6 piston 135i calipers on my "I" without a problem and have grate pedal feel....and the caliper doesn't seem to be any bigger than the OEM 6 piston Brembos, but then again what the hell do I know, I'd say what the heck what do you have to loose other than some time and a little money. Do the mod their is an acceptable amount the front rotors can grow before really screwing up your brake feel.
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Z4-VILLA Banned 111 Rep 2,460 Posts Drives: Z4M Hardtop Roadster Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Classified iTrader: (0)	we tried. off sets were a no go. M5 rotors were overtaking the tie rods and control arms..... well we tried
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Z4-VILLA Banned 111 Rep 2,460 Posts Drives: Z4M Hardtop Roadster Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Classified iTrader: (0)	this project may see a revival if I can get Adams Rotors to make a rotor that will fit the caliper without banging into the control arms and overtaking the tie rod assembly. It will be a matter of offsets. The M5 Rotor is so massive that it just envelopes the control arm. Many of you a thinking How nice it would be to be able to vote twice on the third poll option (lol) but I have a feeling this is very possible. Hopefully this doesn't lose steam as it would be real neat to have the first ever Z4 M with an OEM Brake Caliper set up from an E60 M5.
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07-12-2012, 01:17 AM	#44
Z4-VILLA Banned 111 Rep 2,460 Posts Drives: Z4M Hardtop Roadster Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Classified iTrader: (0)	Hybrid Offset.... well I just sent this email out: I am trying to be the first tuner ever to install OEM BMW E60 M5 Brake Calipers on an E85 Z4 M. Im not interested in Brembo or anything else. I have my mind set on using the OEM set up off of an M5. I personally think that the brakes from the M5 are superior to most aftermarket, that said I will explain the issue. Today my Shop has tried to fit the the M5 Rotor and Caliper onto the Z4 M just to check clearances and see how a bracket can be made for the Caliper in relation to how it would need to fit for a snug mount. We were detained at the OEM Rotors. The rotors were so thick and offset so low to the hub that it was over taking the control arm and tie rod. We looked at it for a while, and after thinking it through we decided that it was a no go. Then it occurred to me that if a rotor was re-designed with the proper offsets it could clear. A rotor would have to be made with the thickness of the original M5 Rotor but with the appropriate offset some what close to the Original Z4 M Rotor and then it would be up to my shop on our end to work around that. I imagine that it may be necessary to perhaps send out one z4 M rotor and one M5 Rotor to construct a rotor with a "hybrid offset". If this is successful it would be a serious game changer for MANY Z4 M owners considering that M5 Calipers can be found for significantly less than Popular BBK's. If you guys accept this ambitious challenge please let me know.
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