Low Mile Imola Red Z4M sold on C&B

[SunUpTopDown3]

What do you guys think? Super low miles IR Roadster sold for $25750 on Doug De Muro's Cars & Bids website. Super clean! looks to be good deal at online public auction.

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/3pX...-z4-m-roadster

[kccougar]

Pretty good. I just bought the recent one on Bring a Trailer for $21,500. Higher mileage, but that's what I was looking for.

My last hobby car was an E39 M5 whose value was strongly tied to its mileage (and condition). I found that I wasn't driving it like I wanted to - I felt guilty putting miles on it. This time around I told myself I'm not going to care about the mileage. I bought the car to enjoy.

[couchflyer]

Good deal for the buyer, I thought it should have gone for more. However, it was in a minor fender bender.

[Andyh1]

Great deal for the buyer.. That car had the potential to fetch another 3-4K

[racerbruce]

Originally Posted by kccougar

Pretty good. I just bought the recent one on Bring a Trailer for $21,500. Higher mileage, but that's what I was looking for.

My last hobby car was an E39 M5 whose value was strongly tied to its mileage (and condition). I found that I wasn't driving it like I wanted to - I felt guilty putting miles on it. This time around I told myself I'm not going to care about the mileage. I bought the car to enjoy.

Well said - drive it and enjoy it.

Left at 530 am this morning for a one hour top-down cruise of my little town and averaged 25 MPH....

https://www.google.com/search?q=gig+...hrome&ie=UTF-8

[pungo]

That seems underpriced by at least $5K for the miles, someone got a good deal. These can only go up in value.

[KevinC]

Roadsters continue to be valued WAY below coupes. It doesn't really seem to make much sense. The Roadster value proposition is insanely great, especially if that's what one prefers anyways. Basically the same car without a roof. All the important bits are there.

[pungo]

Originally Posted by KevinC

Roadsters continue to be valued WAY below coupes. It doesn't really seem to make much sense. The Roadster value proposition is insanely great, especially if that's what one prefers anyways. Basically the same car without a roof. All the important bits are there.

If I remember correctly, the roadsters cost more then the coupe, when new, probably due adding cost of the folding top to mechanism. To me, it makes sense that the coupe's value is much more than the roaster now since the coupe has a unique sportier fastback look and was only produced 3 years in much lower numbers than the vert which was built for 7 years in much higher numbers. Simply supply and demand plus uniqueness

[chickdr]

I sure hope all of you are right. I have a 2006 version of this car with 21k miles(down to the same Remus exhaust). Mine has never been in an accident though. Paid 29k in 2009. It would be great to be able to sell it for what I paid for it.

[Huz-Z]

Originally Posted by pungo

If I remember correctly, the roadsters cost more then the coupe, when new, probably due adding cost of the folding top to mechanism. To me, it makes sense that the coupe's value is much more than the roaster now since the coupe has a unique sportier fastback look and was only produced 3 years in much lower numbers than the vert which was built for 7 years in much higher numbers. Simply supply and demand plus uniqueness

Weren’t Z4M roadsters also produced in relatively low numbers too, and also only for the 2006, 2007 and 2008 model years?

[racerbruce]

Originally Posted by Huz-Z

Weren’t Z4M roadsters also produced in relatively low numbers too, and also only for the 2006, 2007 and 2008 model years?

Roadsters: The Z4M Roadster had a total worldwide production of 5,070, including 3,042 cars for the North American market.

Z4 M Coupe Production, 2006-2008
Coupes, Worldwide: 4,275, North America: 1,815.

[Gamb1t]

Traditionally Coupes being of limited number have maintain a higher used value than its Roadster twin. I prefer open-top driving. But I think exclusivity of the Coupe dictates a higher used price.
See Z3M. The Coupe's price skyrockets while the Roadsters are almost bargain basement priced. In fact I've seen Z3MR cheaper than the 3.0 Z3!

[SD ///M4]

Another factor in the Roadster vs. the Coupe valuation: The Coupes are highly desirable as a track vehicle since AFAIK, all organizations allow them. Roadsters, not so much. BMW CCA doesn't allow either the Z3 or the Z4 Roadsters, or any convertible, unless there is a full roll cage installed.

We have a local track group, Speed Ventures, that specifically allows S2000s, Z3s and Z4s, and Boxsters. The group was formed by an S2000 owner, Aaron Bitterman, who was tired of not being allowed to run his car at track events, so he formed the group and rented tracks himself. It's still going strong more than 20 years later and holds events on most CA tracks as well as others in the Southwest. I ran my S2000 with them for a few years in the early days. Sadly, I've never had my Z4 M Roadster on the track.

[pungo]

Originally Posted by Huz-Z

Weren’t Z4M roadsters also produced in relatively low numbers too, and also only for the 2006, 2007 and 2008 model years?

Originally Posted by racerbruce

Roadsters: The Z4M Roadster had a total worldwide production of 5,070, including 3,042 cars for the North American market.

Even though the Z4M roadster numbers may not be high, the number of all roadsters produced over a 7 year period is pretty high. They mostly share the same sheet metal (except hood) so look very similar. It shows, you can pick up a non-M Z4R for a very reasonable cost, so the Z4MR getting in the 20K range is not bad. Just look at the value of a Z3MR compared to a Z3MC. Even non-M Z4 coupes with 6M are are increasing in value. Time will tell if the trend continues, but if it's anything like the Z3MC, the Z4MC will be the next BMW 2 seater classic

Bottom line, the Z4MR is a bargain

[Roadroach]

Originally Posted by pungo

Even though the Z4M roadster numbers may not be high, the number of all roadsters produced over a 7 year period is pretty high. They mostly share the same sheet metal (except hood) so look very similar. It shows, you can pick up a non-M Z4R for a very reasonable cost, so the Z4MR getting in the 20K range is not bad. Just look at the value of a Z3MR compared to a Z3MC. Even non-M Z4 coupes with 6M are are increasing in value. Time will tell if the trend continues, but if it's anything like the Z3MC, the Z4MC will be the next BMW 2 seater classic

Bottom line, the Z4MR is a bargain

I think you hit the nail on the head. Most here in the forum are trying to compare the M roadster to the M coupe and remarking at how much of a bargain the M roadster is (in that comparison). But the "typical" used convertible buyer may just be looking at the regular Z4 and comparing non-M roadsters to M roadster - in which case the non-M roadsters come off looking like a huge bargain.

[bikesbikesbikesbikes]

Another potentially good deal on public auction without the 5% BAT fee (no idea what dougie d's fees are)

Totally stock and never damaged 2006 M roadster with 100k miles

https://www.ebay.com/itm/363434841404

[bikesbikesbikesbikes]

I also can't wrap my head around coupe vs roadster pricing.

I understand the coupe is a much stiffer chassis, but the roadster is not at all a squirmy wormy. It was designed to be a convertible from the get go and is even lighter that the coupe.

Certainly a coupe would be better on track for safety, and probably would hold up to the abuse on the chassis over time, but there are better options for track cars out there. Especially cars to race/be competitive with.

*my experience with the coupe amounts to about 150 miles of driving over the course of two days, and the car had a half cage/bracing/coilovers of unknown to me branding/full exhaust/and horribly uncomfortable gt3 rs buckets. So, not a ton of driving, but enough to know the differences. Without money being a factor, I would pick the roadster to drive 100% of the time -assuming no track time. The coupe is quite pretty though

[pungo]

Originally Posted by bikesbikesbikesbikes

I also can't wrap my head around coupe vs roadster pricing.

As has been said, simply put, it's supply and demand. Less than 2% of the cars in the US are convertible, so over 98% of the cars people buy are hardtops. Simply put, convertibles are in low demand

[Lucky1]

I don't mind that roadsters are less expensive. Saved me a ton of money getting in though I suppose that will be offset by the depreciation in the longer run. Mine was $10k cheaper than a similarly aged Boxster which had 3x the mileage. What a bargain.

[chickdr]

Originally Posted by Lucky1

I don't mind that roadsters are less expensive. Saved me a ton of money getting in though I suppose that will be offset by the depreciation in the longer run. Mine was $10k cheaper than a similarly aged Boxster which had 3x the mileage. What a bargain.

Exactly why I ended up in my car. I had a 2006 S2000 which was leased. I wanted to lease a 2009 S2000 in white over red and potentially, buy it out later but the lease rates for the 09 were way higher than what I paid in 06. I looked at Boxster S's as I had a 2002 Boxster 2.7 which I loved, but a comparable 2006 Boxster S was about 10k more than the M Roadster which was illogical so I went with the BMW. I think the Boxster S is better in some ways (handling/braking/precision), but the S54 was superior to the Boxster S's 3.2.

[SunUpTopDown3]

Originally Posted by kccougar

Pretty good. I just bought the recent one on Bring a Trailer for $21,500. Higher mileage, but that's what I was looking for.

My last hobby car was an E39 M5 whose value was strongly tied to its mileage (and condition). I found that I wasn't driving it like I wanted to - I felt guilty putting miles on it. This time around I told myself I'm not going to care about the mileage. I bought the car to enjoy.

Congrats on that one! I remember ogling at the photos. Clean and well kept! A+ seller too! Hope you are now hammering out that S54 guilt-free. Engine has just now been broken-in at that mileage

[SunUpTopDown3]

Originally Posted by couchflyer

Good deal for the buyer, I thought it should have gone for more. However, it was in a minor fender bender.

Agreed! Perhaps this will motivate your sale. Thanks again for showing me your gorgeous IB Z4MR