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      02-13-2019, 11:48 AM   #23
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Best write up I've had the pleasure of reading in a while!!
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Such a great write up. Just drove from Toronto to LA in my friend's Z4M Coupe and had the privilege of driving it part of the way. Always put a smile on my face.

...now if I can just convince him to open up the exhaust a bit so we can hear what she's been trying to say for the last few years!
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      02-14-2019, 10:23 AM   #26
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Excellent writeup, definitely nails the ethos of the coupe!
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As a former fellow M Z4 Coupe owner, I agree.
Same here (we had one in the family stable) and it was incredible.
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      02-14-2019, 01:20 PM   #28
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Agreed

Totally agree on how special the S54 Z platform is.

I had a 2007 M coupe for 5.5 years, went to a 2006 911S for 2.2 years, then back into a 2008 M Roadster just last October.

ITB's + inline 6 = great joy for the buck. Which is actually why I went to a roadster second time around, to hear the engine better!
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Totally agree on how special the S54 Z platform is.

I had a 2007 M coupe for 5.5 years, went to a 2006 911S for 2.2 years, then back into a 2008 M Roadster just last October.

ITB's + inline 6 = great joy for the buck. Which is actually why I went to a roadster second time around, to hear the engine better!
I'm in the same camp. I'll be looking for a roadster to replace me E30 is in 6 months.
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I'm in the same camp. I'll be looking for a roadster to replace me E30 is in 6 months.
Act quick as there's a nice one currently on sale here => https://www.zpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1582834
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Swap out that corvette for an e9x M3. Best of both worlds ITB's,hydraulic steering with the v8 sound + 8k redline. 🙃
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Write up was great. My driveway options are the z4m coupe, 2014 Porsche Cayman and 2017 brz. All of my cars were chosen carefully for the experience. It's amazing how similar all 3 are, yet such different experiences. Completely different moods. The brz is the playful one that I just love putting sideways on gravel and snow as often at I can. The Porsche with the PDK and interior make it one of the best date night or weekend road trip cars. It's a serious handling car and I love the sound of the flat six. The Porsche uses electric assist steering that almost feels like true feedback. It took me a long time to realize that Porsche has managed to match the steering speed and weighting to the handling dynamics of the car so well that we almost think that it provides feedback. Then it leads me to the z4m coupe which undoubted is my favourite of the bunch. That low end growl when you blip the throttle at 2000-3000rpm just sounds upset with me for not keeping my foot buried. It doesn't want to go slow. The engine changes pitch as it goes up the revs and it's even more exciting that the other two. I think out of all the modern cars, the brz and cayman are two of the greatest driving experiences down a country road, but neither dethrone the bmw for sheer excitement. I get out of the Porsche thinking that it's a great car for getting me around the bend so quickly. I get out of the bmw thinking I am a great driver. It makes you work for a smooth apex. It's as direct of an expression of inputs as I can think of in a modern car. If you get it right, it's so fast. If you get it wrong, it can't wait to spin you backwards. I love the connection to the experience. Each of my cars brings me a very direct connection to the road, but that fast hydraulic steering can't be beat. I have no idea why everyone except lotus has abandoned it.
Once again, great write up.
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Such a great write up. Just drove from Toronto to LA in my friend's Z4M Coupe and had the privilege of driving it part of the way. Always put a smile on my face.

...now if I can just convince him to open up the exhaust a bit so we can hear what she's been trying to say for the last few years!
That would be a great road trip! Next time bring me!!
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      02-19-2019, 02:24 PM   #34
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Hack nice write up. I am right there with you. I also have a C7 and a Z4 (MT) and I love both of them equally. The thrills I get from each of them separately is definitely God's gift to drivers like me. One is quick and elegant while the other is pure brute muscle. I've had my C7 tuned to over 600 horses and is lighting on 4 wheels. The Z4 is pure excitement and joy as it puts me through the curves and shifts so effortlessly. I envy your short commute. Be safe.
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I envy your short commute. Be safe.
True that. One time I tripped getting out of bed and hurt my back...
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      02-24-2019, 08:50 PM   #36
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I'm not going to lie...I live in Southern California and I do not have a commute. Not anymore. I wake up, walk 20 ft to my computer from my bedroom, and I work. That's my daily commute. I haven't driven in rush hour traffic for over 1.5 years now, and it feels great.

But that also means both my MZ4 Coupe and my Corvette Grand Sport has had a total of 4,xxx miles put on between them in the last 12 months.

I feel guilty. I do. If I need to go on long vacation trips, we'd take my wife's 335D. If I need to go to Costco or grocery stores, I take the i3. Lunch with a friend, or night to pain the town red, or hitting the local bar for a quick drink or two, I fire up the Corvette because the novelty hasn't worn off. Yet.

Plus, you know, MID LIFE.

Track duties last year has pretty much been evenly divided between the MZ4 Coupe and the Grand Sport. And every Sunday I fire up the MZ4 Coupe when the wife and kid are at church just to go blast around the local freeways and on-off ramps. Rarely do I go back to back with both the Corvette and the MZ4 Coupe, but yesterday I did.

Long story short, the LT1 was designed from the ground up to be used on a truck. Really. They meant for the engine to have all the torque in the world on the down low, and the horse power is just the by-product. The most glaring evidence is how GM designed the throttle body. It's got an offset inlet (the inlet and the outlet to the TB isn't lined up straight) with a thick "lip" designed into the inlet part, while the actual throttle plate has a "blockage" for about the first 30% of its travel that the air will have to go around said lip. This design is perfect for a car (truck) that lives most of its life on the first 30% of its throttle pedal travel, with gobs of low-end torque on the first 3,000 RPM, to keep the fuel consumption low (because air flow is restricted), therefore a car (truck) can achieve a reasonable fuel economy despite a massive V8.

For performance application the throttle body absolutely sucks. There's zero control between part throttle (at 30%) and when the throttle blade moves past that inner lip. It goes from mostly closed to sucking in air within a small area of movement on the pedal. Almost makes it feel like driving a turbo diesel with a massive single turbo setup. So I ended up buying a ported TB with most of that "lip" removed. So the Corvette finally drives like a sports car, not a freakin' truck anymore.

I was all happy with the result until I fired up the MZ4 Coupe.

There's no comparison. Really. I know on paper, there's a huge chasm of difference. Horse power. Torque. Center of mass. Suspension technology and design. Tire size and grip. Brakes. Aerodynamics. Everything except for weight is in the favor of the Corvette. Even weight isn't that far apart, about 200 lbs (about the same between the MZ4 Coupe and an E46 M3). Heck if you factor in inflation, what I paid for the MZ4 Coupe is about the same as what I paid for the Corvette. New. And when push comes to shove, the REAL tangible evidence bore most of this out. On average I was faster in the Grand Sport by 7-8 seconds on the same 3 mile track.

But the intangibles? Oh my god the intangibles. I thought the throttle response has gotten 10X better with the ported throttle body on the Grand Sport. Then I drove the MZ4 Coupe. Holy. Crap. You're immediately reminded what REAL throttle response is. How 6 individual electronically controlled throttle bodies translate your right foot's movement into an immediate symphonic explosion of revs. It was a gut punch to know that I can throw as much money at the Corvette as I wish, and it will NEVER respond to my right foot like the MZ4 Coupe does. Never. Nor the fact that by the end of the on-ramp I've already rowed through all 6 gears on the MZ4 Coupe, while the Corvette is still on 4th (but at land in jail speeds). Or how insanely tight and taut the body of the MZ4 Coupe is, even on surface streets. The tactile feedback of the steering, which EVERY journalist commends on the Corvette? Pales in f**king comparison. They can say "oh electronic power steering has come a long way" but honestly? Drive them back to back. You can not replicate the feel of a Servotronic hydraulic assisted steering. You just can't.

It's just incredible what a visceral experience it is to drive the MZ4. There's nothing on the market today quite like it.

It isn't to say the Corvette Grand Sport is a bad car. It is immensely rewarding to drive, infinitely more practical than the MZ4 Coupe, best of both worlds experience with the top stowed away, and the auditory and visual stimulation is incredible, especially when you get on the throttle. You're rewarded with one of the most incredible exhaust notes in history from the push-rod V8 as the scenery disappear in front of your eyes. The insanity inducing lateral Gs, the eye ball popping deceleration and back breaking acceleration...The pops and burbles when you jump off throttle in ANY gear...It is automotive God's gift to a driving enthusiast. It really is. That angular arrow shaped body not only looks fast, it backs up every bit of that claim by going fast, straights or twists.

And man, when you come out of the car after a quick jaunt up the local mountain roads (and here in So. Cal, we're chock full of fantastic, well maintained mountain roads. Price of living in paradise, I suppose), you take a deep breath, and as the adrenaline recedes from your body you feel this euphoria swell from your nether regions as your hand shakes slightly from the adrenaline withdraw. LOVE that feeling.

But you get that feeling sometimes just driving down the street in the MZ4 Coupe. It's weird. You don't even have to really be pushing the MZ4 Coupe all the time to get adrenaline to flood your system. Because the steering is so tight, the throttle so responsive, the body so willing to rotate with or without power...Every time I go on my Sunday drive in the MZ4 Coupe, I always come back feeling like I had just pee'd a little. It's that good. And you take it to the track or local mountain roads, and all of a sudden you dial that all the way past 11.

It is incredibly rewarding to drive the MZ4 Coupe.

There are few reasonably affordable cars like it. I suspect the Lotus Exige is like that, but dialed up even more. The old Z3 M Coupe for sure. I know and understand my friend's obsession with it when he told me he's owned 7 Z3 Coupes total and is looking to buy another. The E30 M3 I drove (a friend of mine lent it to me) feels like that at and near the limits. I have surgeon like steady hands, even on a whole pot of coffee it's rock steady. But whenever I'm done driving my MZ4 Coupe I can always sense a slight tremor from the excitement that just ensued.

The MZ4 Coupe isn't going to set any lap records soon. It's not even the fastest BMW by a wide margin, although at local, more technical tracks it'll hold its own with me behind the wheels against other newer and later Ms driven by other instructors. Its fun factor is off the charts but it's actual performance is now just so-so on paper. I do enjoy wringing the bejesus out of it. Do I enjoy that more than dusting off personal bests with little to no effort like I do in the Corvette? I dunno. I just know that, if it weren't for the MZ4 Coupe in the garage, I'd probably be singing the same praises for the Corvette Grand Sport right now.

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I canít stop grinning when I drive my z4m! Itís pure fun. And only if you been in one you will know. And that why I think the values havenít skyrocketed, not many people have experienced a ride in it. If you have one hold on to it!
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Such a great write up. Just drove from Toronto to LA in my friend's Z4M Coupe and had the privilege of driving it part of the way. Always put a smile on my face.

...now if I can just convince him to open up the exhaust a bit so we can hear what she's been trying to say for the last few years!

Now that's a serious road trip.
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Such a great write up. Just drove from Toronto to LA in my friend's Z4M Coupe and had the privilege of driving it part of the way. Always put a smile on my face.

...now if I can just convince him to open up the exhaust a bit so we can hear what she's been trying to say for the last few years!
That would be a great road trip! Next time bring me!!
He can't without losing his seat or stealing his friend's car. The Z4M is a two seater :
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Such a great write up. Just drove from Toronto to LA in my friend's Z4M Coupe and had the privilege of driving it part of the way. Always put a smile on my face.

...now if I can just convince him to open up the exhaust a bit so we can hear what she's been trying to say for the last few years!
That would be a great road trip! Next time bring me!!
He can't without losing his seat or stealing his friend's car. The Z4M is a two seater :
I was implying I would drive my own z4mc
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Such a great write up. Just drove from Toronto to LA in my friend's Z4M Coupe and had the privilege of driving it part of the way. Always put a smile on my face.

...now if I can just convince him to open up the exhaust a bit so we can hear what she's been trying to say for the last few years!
That would be a great road trip! Next time bring me!!
He can't without losing his seat or stealing his friend's car. The Z4M is a two seater :
I was implying I would drive my own z4mc
That works too.
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M5 A real v8

Ditch the vette. Looks like the bat mobile.Get a mans car. M5 tesla fast . Or if you like real excitement Porsche.
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Ditch the vette. Looks like the bat mobile.Get a mans car. M5 tesla fast . Or if you like real excitement Porsche.
Lol. Really? In a thread appreciating car(s) you HAD to go out down another manís car?

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