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      02-21-2019, 03:37 PM   #89
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But surely he is voluntarily giving the difference in his effective tax rate and the 70% tax rate proposed to the government treasury so that the government can do more for the poor, right?
He declared his income for taxes and taxes were taken out the "millions" he's earned. He's paid his dues. His 3 houses? Their combined worth is less than a single family home in San Francisco.

As I said, socialist policies and capitalism is not mutually exclusive.
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He declared his income for taxes and taxes were taken out the "millions" he's earned. He's paid his dues. His 3 houses? Their combined worth is less than a single family home in San Francisco.
Ah - but yet you still didn't answer my question. He always states he wants to substantially raise the top tax rates. There is nothing stopping him from paying additional taxes above the minimum amount he owes.

Has he chosen to practice what he preaches by giving additional money to the government?

It's a simple yes or no question.
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Ah - but yet you still didn't answer my question. He always states he wants to substantially raise the top tax rates. There is nothing stopping him from paying additional taxes above the minimum amount he owes.

Has he chosen to practice what he preaches by giving additional money to the government?

It's a simple yes or no question.
The answer is simple but your phrasing is purely a troll question.

I'm sure if the law passes, he'll pay the same tax rate as anyone else.

Then what you do you have to say about the millions that Trump hides and doesn't pay taxes on? Offshore accounts and properties not subject to US taxation? Surely he should answer to the tax man as you and I do? Should he pay up what he owes? Simple answer, yes or no.
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He declared his income for taxes and taxes were taken out the "millions" he's earned. He's paid his dues. His 3 houses? Their combined worth is less than a single family home in San Francisco.

As I said, socialist policies and capitalism is not mutually exclusive.
He should walk the walk if he's going to talk the talk and send a check to close the gap on the 70% tax rate he want's everyone else who make high income do.

Mr. Trump has foregone his entire paycheck but for one dollar. Surely Mr. Sanders can close the gap in this instance. It's not an unreasonable thing to ask.
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He should walk the walk if he's going to talk the talk and send a check to close the gap on the 70% tax rate he want's everyone else who make high income do.

Mr. Trump has foregone his entire paycheck but for one dollar. Surely Mr. Sanders can close the gap in this instance. It's not an unreasonable thing to ask.
I'm sure he would if he was president. Trump didn't make his pledge until he was president after all.

As for Trump, he's got millions hiding away, offshore accounts and properties that make money. He doesn't need his presidential salary.
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I honestly don't think it is a troll question at all. I am being completely straight - and you still didn't answer the question, because you know the answer - the answer is no. Bernie is advocating that we need to all pay more taxes so that we can spend more government money on various programs - so then why isn't he already giving more money to the government to help on his own? The answer is obvious.

As to Trump - well first, he isn't the one advocating for higher taxes - so your point doesn't really hold water. Second, as far as we all know - he is not in violation of any tax evasion laws. As such, he is currently paying 100% of the taxes he owes. Do you disagree?

Finally - you seem to also be a proponent of increasing tax rates. If this is true, do you donate additional money each year to the federal government because you believe this would be the best way to help society - or do you donate it to local charities and the like? Something tells me we all know that answer as well.

Perhaps we should move this over to the liberal hypocrite thread?
First of all, it's a tax proposal. No one has ratified it and it has not become law. So you're saying he should "pre pay" it? I very much doubt anyone wants a 70% tax of the rich. It's a cry that something has to be done about income inequality as the middle class gets crunched.

As for the "millions" that Bernie has.. he's worth 2 million. That includes his income from books and his property values. For someone at retirement age, 2 million is not a lot of money.

If you know the proposal, 70% tax is on people making over $10 million a year. Do you make more than $10M a year? Bernie sure doesn't make $10M a year.

I see the suffering around me. People starving, people lying on the street addicted to drugs and alcohol. Children without parents. I volunteer helping cook and serve food to the homeless. I do trash pick up and recycling on trails and beaches on some weekends. That is my way of giving back to the community. What do you do?
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He should walk the walk if he's going to talk the talk and send a check to close the gap on the 70% tax rate he want's everyone else who make high income do.

Mr. Trump has foregone his entire paycheck but for one dollar. Surely Mr. Sanders can close the gap in this instance. It's not an unreasonable thing to ask.
Great, he's foregoing his presidential income. I hope He's not donating it to the Trump foundation.

How Trump Is Trying—And Failing—To Get Rich Off His Presidency
https://www.forbes.com/.../danalexan...ingto-get-rich...
Oct 2, 2018 - Even among those who gave his moon-shot presidential bid a ... that I could be the first presidential candidate to run and make money on it. ... (The Trump Organization denies the licensing business has to do with politics.).

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...nts-money.html

By the numbers: How Trump properties profited from his presidency ...
https://www.axios.com/donald-trump-p...residency-91e3...
Jun 28, 2018 - The D.C. Trump hotel managed to make more money than expected at ... a caveat that "federal taxpayer data is incomplete because agencies are fighting disclosure. ... The bottom line: Even if no rules or laws are being broken, it's clear that Trump's presidency has been uniquely beneficial to his business, ...
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I think you are missing my points entirely. I am unsure if on purpose, or just through the difficulties of text and forum postings.

At this point - I have nothing further, because I am too tired to explain what I am trying to explain to you anymore if you honestly don't get it, or you are just being purposely obtuse, in which case, I have no further use for you.
No, the point is this. Why does anyone need to pay for a fictional tax rate that is not in law? And as I said, no one truly wants a 70% tax rate - it is a point to argue and show why things are bad and need to improve.

Your statement is, he should take his own medicine i.e. pay more taxes to the govt but he doesn't. First of all, this 70% tax rate is only for those making more than $10M. Why should he pay 70% when he his net worth is not even $2M combined for his entire life's savings?

If you can't stand facts and reasoning, then I have nothing else to say to you regarding this topic. It seems your mind is frozen and can't accept reasoning.

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Great, he's foregoing his presidential income. I hope He's not donating it to the Trump foundation.

How Trump Is Trying—And Failing—To Get Rich Off His Presidency
https://www.forbes.com/.../danalexan...ingto-get-rich...
Oct 2, 2018 - Even among those who gave his moon-shot presidential bid a ... that I could be the first presidential candidate to run and make money on it. ... (The Trump Organization denies the licensing business has to do with politics.).

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...nts-money.html

By the numbers: How Trump properties profited from his presidency ...
https://www.axios.com/donald-trump-p...residency-91e3...
Jun 28, 2018 - The D.C. Trump hotel managed to make more money than expected at ... a caveat that "federal taxpayer data is incomplete because agencies are fighting disclosure. ... The bottom line: Even if no rules or laws are being broken, it's clear that Trump's presidency has been uniquely beneficial to his business, ...
So let me get this straight.
Trump decided to take on the Clinton machine, against staggering odds, and run for President so that IF he won his businesses would get a boost? More hotel guests was his underlying motivation to go through everything he did and has been since winning.

Okie dokie.
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Great, he's foregoing his presidential income. I hope He's not donating it to the Trump foundation.

How Trump Is Trying—And Failing—To Get Rich Off His Presidency
https://www.forbes.com/.../danalexan...ingto-get-rich...
Oct 2, 2018 - Even among those who gave his moon-shot presidential bid a ... that I could be the first presidential candidate to run and make money on it. ... (The Trump Organization denies the licensing business has to do with politics.).

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...nts-money.html

By the numbers: How Trump properties profited from his presidency ...
https://www.axios.com/donald-trump-p...residency-91e3...
Jun 28, 2018 - The D.C. Trump hotel managed to make more money than expected at ... a caveat that "federal taxpayer data is incomplete because agencies are fighting disclosure. ... The bottom line: Even if no rules or laws are being broken, it's clear that Trump's presidency has been uniquely beneficial to his business, ...
So let me get this straight.
Trump decided to take on the Clinton machine, against staggering odds, and run for President so that IF he won his businesses would get a boost? More hotel guests was his underlying motivation to go through everything he did and has been since winning.

Okie dokie.
Staggering odds?
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I think you are missing my points entirely. I am unsure if on purpose, or just through the difficulties of text and forum postings.

At this point - I have nothing further, because I am too tired to explain what I am trying to explain to you anymore if you honestly don't get it, or you are just being purposely obtuse, in which case, I have no further use for you.
No, the point is this. Why does anyone need to pay for a fictional tax rate that is not in law? And as I said, no one truly wants a 70% tax rate - it is a point to argue and show why things are bad and need to improve.

Your statement is, he should take his own medicine i.e. pay more taxes to the govt but he doesn't. First of all, this 70% tax rate is only for those making more than $10M. Why should he pay 70% when he his net worth is not even $2M combined for his entire life's savings?

If you can't stand facts and reasoning, then I have nothing else to say to you regarding this topic. It seems your mind is frozen and can't accept reasoning.

Cheers
The short answer is "Show me don't tell me" but Bernie is more of the "do as I say not as I do". Do his residuals not bring in more than enough for a single elderly man to live comfortably? Then why isn't he giving his "surplus" to the government to support those less fortunate than he? He had lifetime medical at this point, and multiple places to lay his head
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Ah - but yet you still didn't answer my question. He always states he wants to substantially raise the top tax rates. There is nothing stopping him from paying additional taxes above the minimum amount he owes.

Has he chosen to practice what he preaches by giving additional money to the government?

It's a simple yes or no question.
Bernie stumped in 2016 on taxing the top 1% at a higher level to help pay for his programs. I dont know what his income is but I'm guessing he's not in the top 1% of wage earners in the US. Thus, he IS practicing what he preaches because he preaches raising taxes on a group to which he does not belong.

I dont necessarily think that anyone who proposes a new tax structure needs to then begin paying at the top of that structure, just to avoid being a hypocrite. I'm sure Trump's businesses made out very well after the tax cuts Trump put into place. That seems to be every bit a conflict of interest as Bernie suggesting a higher tax rate that he would not be subject to.
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You could hear the champagne corks popping in the White House for thousands of miles.

And I'm still hearing them as I post...
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Started watching that Sanders 'commercial' and within one minute the the guy says President Trump is shaking in his boots over his jumping in announcement and that he collected 6m. Then he shows the Presidents response as evidence of the fear which clearly isn't there. Nothing there just moonbats being moonbats.
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And I'm still hearing them as I post...
Absolutely. A Sanders or warren democratic nomination would be a godsend for Trump.
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Not getting into the debate love this pic... Think it is from 2016 but still funny!
Haven't seen that one before. That's pretty damn funny!
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Although I don't support Sanders but I think his comments here were taken out of context. I think what he meant was that it's good we have a safety net that allows people to get food stamps and so on, so that's a good thing.
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Then watch the whole video and get back to us.
I am not saying he's not a socialist. My post was based on that specific comment. I don't think he was saying something like the government should be responsible for the distribution of food to its people ... like Russia.
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