F1 2023: Monaco GP - Monte Carlo (May 28)

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by Autobacs

How do you know that? First, ALO questioned the call for mediums so it was an AM call. Second, he came in 2 laps before Max did. If he had put on intermediates, there was a good likelihood he would have taken the lead, given that Max was slipping and sliding those 2 laps. This is based on the news info as I have no other information that I rely on.

At exactly the same time ALO came in and got mediums, a bunch of other cars came in and went to intermediates. (I think at the time that AM was putting on the mediums, already 5 cars had put on inters)
I think ALO said that the team handled on the information they had at the time, but they didn't look at what other teams did. They obviously had different information.

Max came in 1 lap after ALO.

[Artemis]

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Interesting thing to speculate about.

I think LEC, NOR and HULK are all potential candidates for a set at RB

Charlie is a great driver , but everytime again ...And again he's screwed by his own Ferrari team .
His only hope was to get rid of Bino , but so far Ferrari Fred is even worse ...

This can't go on like this , so I think (soon) he's knocking on the Red Bull's door ...

Anyway , I would love to see that

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by Artemis

They know good driving when they see it

[Artemis]

All drivers post-race:

[///M Power-Belgium]

Great shot from the number 1 in action with inters in the rain

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Charlie is a great driver , but everytime again ...And again he's screwed by his own Ferrari team .
His only hope was to get rid of Bino , but so far Ferrari Fred is even worse ...

This can't go on like this , so I think (soon) he's knocking on the Red Bull's door ...

Anyway , I would love to see that

I've always said it's best to stick with the devil you know (in Charlie's case Bino) and as you say Fred is even worse, the Ferrari top dogs at Maranello must be covering their eyes every time.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Artemis

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Good clip and it's obvious the woman at the end with Albon hasn't a clue of what Max is made of

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I've always said it's best to stick with the devil you know (in Charlie's case Bino) and as you say Fred is even worse, the Ferrari top dogs at Maranello must be covering their eyes every time.

Sure . And ALO had to stay out for one more lap and it would be very clear that the track was too wet for mediums .

I say ALO's pitstop was really bad timing .So actually the Aston pitstop strategy failed ...

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Sure . And ALO had to stay out for one more lap and it would be very clear that the track was too wet for mediums .

I say ALO's pitstop was really bad timing .So actually the Aston pitstop strategy failed ...

I would go further and say their strat was useless when it had to matter. ALO could have stayed with Max as I suggested before but then RB wouldn't have fallen into that trap in the first place with people like Hannah advising what was best and Max being the rain master, as HeelToeShift said in #272

[NickyC]

Good race, nice bonus for it being Monaco! Wonder why Alonso went out on the mediums there, luckily he got away with it but that could have ended terribly.

Also not sure if anyone saw this, F4 almost had a Hubert repeat yesterday. They need to setup that corner so cars stop bouncing back into the racing line. We all love Spa but that corner is just far too dangerous.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by NickyC

Good race, nice bonus for it being Monaco! Wonder why Alonso went out on the mediums there, luckily he got away with it but that could have ended terribly.

Also not sure if anyone saw this, F4 almost had a Hubert repeat yesterday. They need to setup that corner so cars stop bouncing back into the racing line. We all love Spa but that corner is just far too dangerous.

Yes mate . And this was last weekend the 2023 Monaco Formula '2 GP .

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I've always said it's best to stick with the devil you know (in Charlie's case Bino) and as you say Fred is even worse, the Ferrari top dogs at Maranello must be covering their eyes every time.

You don't see MB CEOs screwing with Toto. Ferrari will never hire anyone they can't micromanage.

[M5Rick]

More action footage from quali and race.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

You don't see MB CEOs screwing with Toto. Ferrari will never hire anyone they can't micromanage.

Wolff manager owns a third of Merc F1 with Daimler and Eneos a third each with the remaining so he has a lot of power there and Ferrari managers are in reality lackeys probably being told how to run the team by others.

[M5Rick]

Have got to post about this again that AM put the Meds on ALO's car, Horner says they were let off the hook by this happening and AM simply cracked under pressure with such an easy decision to make by not putting Fernie on Inters. Fernie now has no chance of scoring a win in any of the remaining races bar unreliability issues for RB, and his own car could suffer that.
https://racingnews365.com/horner-ast...n-off-the-hook

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Have got to post about this again that AM put the Meds on ALO's car, Horner says they were let off the hook by this happening and AM simply cracked under pressure with such an easy decision to make by not putting Fernie on Inters. Fernie now has no chance of scoring a win in any of the remaining races bar unreliability issues for RB, and his own car could suffer that.
https://racingnews365.com/horner-ast...n-off-the-hook

As soon as I saw Aston Martin mounting no inters on Alonso's car I said aloud: "Nooooo!". But, true, it was a gamble. Imagine that it had only been a brief rain shower and subsequently the racing line drying up: then Aston Martin could have proved all others wrong - Alonso is also very good in the rain. But during this race the skies looked menacing enough to opt for inters.

Remember Lando Norris during the 2021 Russian GP (Sochi): the victory slipped out of his hands in the final laps because of refraining to fit inters. Late rain. Mercedes decided to pit Hamilton for inters. Norris stayed out on slicks, thinking that he could finish the 4 final laps with those. Rain intensified: Norris was toast and Hamilton won the race.

Reliving the Sochi drama unfolding for Norris (finishing P7) and the good call by Mercedes/Hamilton (finishing P1) - full onboard radio (11:45):

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Artemis

As soon as I saw Aston Martin mounting no inters on Alonso's car I said aloud: "Nooooo!". But, true, it was a gamble. Imagine that it had only been a brief rain shower and subsequently the racing line drying up: then Aston Martin could have proved all others wrong - Alonso is also very good in the rain. But during this race the skies looked menacing enough to opt for inters.

Remember Lando Norris during the 2021 Russian GP (Sochi): the victory slipped out of his hands in the final laps because of refraining to fit inters. Late rain. Mercedes decided to pit Hamilton for inters. Norris stayed out on slicks, thinking that he could finish the 4 final laps with those. Rain intensified: Norris was toast and Hamilton won the race.

Reliving the Sochi drama unfolding for Norris (finishing P7) and the good call by Mercedes/Hamilton (finishing P1) - full onboard radio (11:45):

There is a saying that when it rains it usually pours and that is more than often true for when it starts spitting with rain at GP's also with those mountains encircling Monaco with the dark clouds it was coming, ALO should have put his foot down there with gut feeling of heavy rain.


Here's Prost getting caught out on a wet Monaco track from back then,

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by Artemis

As soon as I saw Aston Martin mounting no inters on Alonso's car I said aloud: "Nooooo!". But, true, it was a gamble.

Everyone yelled Noooooooooo


The strange thing is, that his teammate at that time was already on inters.
Stroll was one of the first (with BOT) to go to inters if I look at the information given during the race:


I wonder if feedback from him played a role in the decision to send ALO out on slicks again.

[Autobacs]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Interesting thing to speculate about.

I think LEC, NOR and HULK are all potential candidates for a set at RB

NOR is the best of them and it will be interesting to see how he fares against Max.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by Autobacs

NOR is the best of them and it will be interesting to see how he fares against Max.

I think Max has a better strategic mind than Lando.
At least in Sochi in 2021; Lando starts on pole and finishes 7th, Max starts at the rear of the field (20th) and finishes 2nd
Max came in at exactly the right time there.

[Autobacs]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Everyone yelled Noooooooooo


The strange thing is, that his teammate at that time was already on inters.
Stroll was one of the first (with BOT) to go to inters if I look at the information given during the race:


I wonder if feedback from him played a role in the decision to send ALO out on slicks again.

I'm sure it did. That, together with the faulty weather radar, made for the wrong call. But then again, unless you have a hotline to the Gods, you never know for sure how long and how much these rain showers are. It could have worked the other way around as well.