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      05-03-2019, 11:25 AM   #1
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Modified Z4 with M5 V10

What BMW should do.

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/mod...uck-m5s-v10-z4
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I been thinking about this swap for a long time now. Glad to see that it's possible for it to fit in the engine bay.
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I been thinking about this swap for a long time now. Glad to see that it's possible for it to fit in the engine bay.
You have a donor vehicle and the Z4? If you have the tools and ability to DIY it might not caused that much in today's market as they're not worth as much as they used to be.
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I got 2 m coupe. Was looking at a rear ended manual M5 on Co-part and stand alone ECU. If I can master Tig welding I might do the swap one day.
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The interesting thing is, this car was apparently never build by tuner Manhart...
So quite the error from Top gear who didn't do their homework

https://www.zroadster.com/forum/thre...2#post-2460206

This car is the "Hornisse" which at some point was apparently labeled with manhart stickers/bodyart, supposedly when it was with a later owner in switzerland.....
Why and who did that is not clear but its strange to say the least, that a tuner (quite a famous one....) claims a build from another person.....

There are quite a few reports on the german z forum that it suffers from reliability issues.

There's also a guy in the UK that did a s85 swap.
The electrical part of the swap is supposedly the most difficult. Integrating the s85 ecu in the rest of the z4 (which is 1 or 2 generations older)
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The interesting thing is, this car was apparently never build by tuner Manhart...
So quite the error from Top gear who didn't do their homework

https://www.zroadster.com/forum/thre...2#post-2460206

This car is the "Hornisse" which at some point was apparently labeled with manhart stickers/bodyart, supposedly when it was with a later owner in switzerland.....
Why and who did that is not clear but its strange to say the least, that a tuner (quite a famous one....) claims a build from another person.....

There are quite a few reports on the german z forum that it suffers from reliability issues.

There's also a guy in the UK that did a s85 swap.
The electrical part of the swap is supposedly the most difficult. Integrating the s85 ecu in the rest of the z4 (which is 1 or 2 generations older)
The s85 wasn't the most reliable lol.
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I been thinking about this swap for a long time now. Glad to see that it's possible for it to fit in the engine bay.
If the viper motor fits...almost anything else should fit
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      07-02-2019, 06:25 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by GuidoK View Post
The interesting thing is, this car was apparently never build by tuner Manhart...
So quite the error from Top gear who didn't do their homework

https://www.zroadster.com/forum/thre...2#post-2460206

This car is the "Hornisse" which at some point was apparently labeled with manhart stickers/bodyart, supposedly when it was with a later owner in switzerland.....
Why and who did that is not clear but its strange to say the least, that a tuner (quite a famous one....) claims a build from another person.....

There are quite a few reports on the german z forum that it suffers from reliability issues.

There's also a guy in the UK that did a s85 swap.
The electrical part of the swap is supposedly the most difficult. Integrating the s85 ecu in the rest of the z4 (which is 1 or 2 generations older)
Awron GmbH figured out the electronic part of the equation. Apparently there is enough engine swaps to the S85 V10 platform that they developed an ECU for various applications for the swap depending on what you would want.

Taken from their website:
Function capable S85 engine package for self installation.

The engine electronics package has the following properties:

Motor control fully OBD, EOBD diagnostic capability
DSC disabled
Secondary air system disabled
Adapted configuration diagnostic ECU network on autonomous use
Disabled engine diagnostic probes and function
Configuration manual
Oil pump fully functional for lateral acceleration
Sport button is disabled (can be installed and configured to customer requirements)

With this engine package you can take any S85 engine in operation, regardless of where it is installed. Based on the series software, we have developed software that allows the engine no longer has to rely on the complete electrical system. The jumps in all conditions and runs like a train engine.

The kit is designed so that it provides you the opportunity to incorporate this in various BMW models and connected to the existing electrical system.

The variants are:
Software motor control
MSS54 Kit
MSS54 Kit without control unit
MSS54 Kit without Vanos
MSS54 Kit without Vanos and without controller
Included for variant 2, 3, 4, 5 are included:

MSS54 engine control unit with software adaptation
Wiring harness for commissioning ECU
Installation instructions / switching Plann
E-accelerator
OBD connector
Cooling water outlet temperature sensor
Display DGA-RACE-S54

Upgrade Path
Custom Sofware -Upgrade opportunities are:

Camshaft - Kit
Motorsport - Vehicles
Further modifications on upon request.

http://awron.com/index.php/s85-v10
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      07-03-2019, 04:15 PM   #10
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Pictures and a few videos of the "hornisse" have been floating around for years, always thought it was a cool build.

The challenge is not mounting/fitting the engine in the car, but making it play nice with all the other electronics while maintaining some semblance of OEM feel/functionality.

I plan to do the S85 swap and widebody on my car one day, since I'll be keeping it forever.
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Definitely cool, but the electronics seems way above even my head. I could never do a swap that involves even more electronic complexity. Seen this car in previous videos, looks like it's just swapping hands and getting cosmetic makeovers now.
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wow!

now THAT! is impressive!
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