No mention of our beloved Z4Ms!

[garz747]

Watched a you tube track test "-Driving the best BMW M cars" by Auto Express out of Britain last nite. E30 M3, M635, E46 M3, E39 M5, Z3M clownshoe,1M ,etc. Not a single word uttered about the Z4M! No honorable mention-nada! Its a far better car than the Z3M and has the motor and brakes and steering that they rave about. Our unicorn seems to be left out alot. Not the first time Ive noticed this...

[racerbruce]

Wowie!
As you stated, massive raving about the power/handling/braking of other M's w/the same "running gear" as our beloved Z4M's....

Does this "omission" constitute the lack of $ value on the Z4M market today?

Removing the recent used car valuation increase, has the Z4M value increased over time?

[Piper1]

Originally Posted by racerbruce

Removing the recent used car valuation increase, has the Z4M value increased over time?

Prior I think it was leveling off from any rise. Compared to 2 years ago Z4MC have risen 10k of equivalent miles/condition to present. Non M e86 have gained 6-8k over the last year from when I picked mine up. Those values are based on my never ending obsession on CarGurus. BaT is a whole other story. There’s not really haggling down going on from what I’ve seen. Roadsters I’m seeing have seen lower price gains to the current market maybe 2k raise from 5 years ago to now on a Z4MR. I had looked at a z4mr at a local dealer 8 years ago listed originally for 17k sold for 15 and an equivalent now is listed at 18k on CarGurus.

[racerbruce]

Originally Posted by Piper1

Prior I think it was leveling off from any rise. Compared to 2 years ago Z4MC have risen 10k of equivalent miles/condition to present. Non M e86 have gained 6-8k over the last year from when I picked mine up. Those values are based on my never ending obsession on CarGurus. BaT is a whole other story. There’s not really haggling down going on from what I’ve seen. Roadsters I’m seeing have seen lower price gains to the current market maybe 2k raise from 5 years ago to now on a Z4MR. I had looked at a z4mr at a local dealer 8 years ago listed originally for 17k sold for 15 and an equivalent now is listed at 18k on CarGurus.

Thank you for the data and perspective.

As a Z4MR owner of a pristine, OCD cared for and tastefully modded example, it is still chilling to know my ride is worth less than a new sub-compact throw away Kia....

[Piper1]

Originally Posted by racerbruce

Thank you for the data and perspective.

As a Z4MR owner of a pristine, OCD cared for and tastefully modded example, it is still chilling to know my ride is worth less than a new sub-compact throw away Kia....

I know the feeling, with the amount put into my 03. But then again the giddy childish smile every time I drive it is priceless.

[racerbruce]

Originally Posted by Piper1

I know the feeling, with the amount put into my 03. But then again the giddy childish smile every time I drive it is priceless.

Amen to that....we chose this platform based upon the brand/style/performance/uniqueness/ultra-low production and as you said, the visceral excitement of turning the key and hearing/knowing you just started the last of the true analog, normally aspirated and highly refined M powerplants.

[garz747]

Its happened again! I just watched a new British" Top Gear" with a salute to the 50th anniversary of the BMW M cars. One scene shows pretty much all the M's but I do NOT see the Z4M- just the clown shoe Z3M with the others. This is getting to be too common and insulting. On a positive note they drove Porsches that run on carbon neutral synthtetic fuel. Maybe we still have a future?

[wdb]

Originally Posted by garz747

On a positive note they drove Porsches that run on carbon neutral synthtetic fuel. Maybe we still have a future?

Sebastian Vettel drove a 1992 Renault F1 car running on synfuel at Silverstone over the weekend. F1 is committed to full use of renewable source fuel for the 2026 season.

[racerbruce]

Originally Posted by wdb

Sebastian Vettel drove a 1992 Renault F1 car running on synfuel at Silverstone over the weekend. F1 is committed to full use of renewable source fuel for the 2026 season.

....and what an incredible and exciting finish to yesterday's GP.

[garz747]

Finally! Autoweek put the Z4M Coupe in its delightful dozen! They also noted how great it looks and drives and the action on BAT... Long time coming lol.

[wdb]

I'm not particularly impressed with the BaT prices for Z4MC's. They still seem to be niche cars.

[racerbruce]

Originally Posted by wdb

I'm not particularly impressed with the BaT prices for Z4MC's. They still seem to be niche cars.

Indeed - hopeful the enthusiast and collector acumen begins to equate the running gear, performance and BMW M engineering excellence found in M3's, etc and equates this with the Z4M variant....

E85 Roadster/E86 Coupe produced from 2002-2008
E86 body style added in 2006
E86’s fixed roof increased torsional rigidity improving turn-in and handling response
E86 roof has a “double bubble” contour serving as an aerodynamic aid and more headroom
Z4 platform front suspension is Macpherson strut design.
Z4 rear suspension uses a multi-link design
Z4 used lightweight materials to offset increased weight over the smaller Z3
Z4 used aluminum hood and suspension components and magnesium roof frame
Z4 engines included all-alloy construction, variable valve timing (double-VANOS)
Z4 engines included throttle by wire technology
Z4 vehicles included electronic stability control, incorporating ABS and traction control
Z4 vehicles included optional “Sport Package” with stiffer and lower suspension, 18 inch wheels, and sport tuned electronic steering, throttle and shift parameters (“Dynamic Driving Control”)
Z4 vehicles included electric power steering, replacing traditional hydraulic power steering used by the Z3
Z4 vehicle’s power assist steering is speed-sensitive, allowing for easier maneuvering at low speeds
Z4M vehicles uses hydraulic power steering with a more direct and communicative feel
S54 was awarded the Ward’s 10 Best Engines listing for 2001-2004
North American Z4M models generate 330 hp, 3 hp less than the North American M3
S54 engines have double VANOS systems and a 11.5:1 compression ratio
S54 engines generate 262 lb-ft torque at 4500 rpm
Z4M models include a wider front track, revised front suspension, wider tires at the front
Z4’s life cycle includes 197,950 vehicles produced
Z4’s life cycle includes 180,856 roadsters
S54 engines were marketed as the high-performance equivalent to the M54
S54 engine block is cast iron
S54 head material is aluminum
S54 valvetrain is DOHC w/VVT
S54 has no successor
S54 is 8,000 rpm redline
S54 bore increased to 98mm resulting in 3,246 cc displacement
S54 revised camshafts with variable valve timing
S54 introduced finger follower valve actuation instead of bucket-style tappets
S54 introduced the Siemens MSS 54 Engine control unit ensuring optimal engine performance
S54 has scavenging oil pump to avoid oil starvation during cornering
E86 Z4M Coupe weight is 3,230 lbs
E85 Z4M Roadster weight is 3,197 lbs
Z4M models are electronically limited to 155 mph
Z4M braking system shares many parts in common with the E46 M3
Z4M brake calipers are from the M3 Competition model
Z4M brake discs (consisting of aluminum hubs, stainless steel pins, cross drilled iron floating rotors) are from the E46 M3 CSL
E8 Assembled in Spartanburg, South Carolina
M model powered by the S54 straight-six engine
E89 succeeded the E85 and E86 in February 2009
E85 designed by Danish BMW-designer Anders Warming
Z4 was introduced at the Paris Motor Show in 2002
North American models sent on sale in November 2002
European sales began in March 2003
Initial models were the roadster body style powered by a 25L or 3.0L 6-cylinder engine
Initial transmission choices were a five-speed manual, six-speed manual, five-speed automatic and six-speed SMG-II automated manual
A four-cylinder model, the Z4 2.0i Roadster was introduced for the European market in May 2005
E86 concept Coupe version of the Z4 unveiled at the Frankfurt Motor Show in 2005
E86 design was approved in Summer 2004 and frozen in December 2004
E86 production began 4 April 2006
5-E86 replaced the Z3
E86 has a fastback rear window and integrated spoiler to deliver downforce
E86 consisted of the 3.0si and M model with a 6-speed manual and 6-speed automatic
Z4 facelift (also known as LCI) models were launched at the North American Auto Show in Detroit in 2006
Last of the first-generation Z4 (Z43.0 si Roadster in Space Grey) rolled off the production line on 28 August 2008
Z4 platform’s first 13 months on the market were roadsters outselling coupes 7 to 1
S54B32 engines vary in power and torque output due to country-specific emissions regulations, or space constraints of a chassis affecting the layout of the intake/exhaust system
S54 cylinder configuration is straight-6
S54 precedes the S50

[mmm-five]

Originally Posted by garz747

Its happened again! I just watched a new British" Top Gear" with a salute to the 50th anniversary of the BMW M cars. One scene shows pretty much all the M's but I do NOT see the Z4M- just the clown shoe Z3M with the others. This is getting to be too common and insulting. On a positive note they drove Porsches that run on carbon neutral synthtetic fuel. Maybe we still have a future?

They highlighted nowhere near 'nearly all' - I counted 12 different models shown - of the 35+ M-cars ever made (if you include the X5M/X6M models).

There are lots of others they didn't mention, it wasn't an anti-Z4M segment. There wasn't even a mention of my beloved e34 M5 (either 3.6 or 3.8 model).