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      03-01-2019, 12:05 PM   #1
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1970 BMW 2800 (Bavaria)

I have question regarding a 1970 BMW 2800 (Bavaria) car I'm about to go purchase in the next couple of weeks. I want your personal comments so I can decide on what I want to do with the car. The car is all original and I was informed that it was previously owned by a producer before they purchased it but I don't know from who as of now. Its been in a garage for the past 27 years so it will need to be refreshed. I'm getting a good deal on it so I think its worth putting some money in it. I will be selling it after Its road worthy and thinking about taking it to the BMW show in Fontana in May.


so do I add newer BMW parts like wheels or leave it all original?


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Bavarians are not very much in demand. They had lots of problems. You probably won’t get your money back if you restore it. To maximize your return if you restore it, it should be restored to stock.
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How much do you think I can get for it if I just get it running and leave it stock?
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How much do you think I can get for it if I just get it running and leave it stock?
I would guess $2,000 to $3,000.
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I have question regarding a 1970 BMW 2800 (Bavaria) car I'm about to go purchase in the next couple of weeks. I want your personal comments so I can decide on what I want to do with the car. The car is all original and I was informed that it was previously owned by a producer before they purchased it but I don't know from who as of now. Its been in a garage for the past 27 years so it will need to be refreshed. I'm getting a good deal on it so I think its worth putting some money in it. I will be selling it after Its road worthy and thinking about taking it to the BMW show in Fontana in May.


so do I add newer BMW parts like wheels or leave it all original?
These older BMWs are worth more in original condition than with new "mods".

I would rip off the carbs and have a shop re-build them. You're going to need new tires, and all the hoses in the engine compartment. Drop and drain the fuel tank. There is quite a community (start with mye28.com and ask them for www references.)

I had an E12 530i (similar in many respects.) and it was a great car. IIRC from Roundel issues and articles, a good-condition road-going Bavaria might be worth $10K. A highly-restored one might be twice that. But it's hard to get parts, and the interior is sure to be shot and that's quite a bit of money to restore.
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No way. I say around 7-10k depend on the car.
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No way. I say around 7-10k depend on the car.
7 - 10K would be a good price for a restored car. The question was if it just was running in its current condition.
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7 - 10K would be a good price for a restored car. The question was if it just was running in its current condition.
He said he will refresh it, this could mean restoring. Also he asked to keep original or no.
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Pictures provided aren't enough to judge. If the car has no rust issues, you're in business...of course that would be very rare in these cars (although they aren't nearly as bad as an E9). Even more so if the original toolkit and full interior is there and complete...the toolkits alone sell for $$.

Once you get it out of storage, assess its needs. At a minimum as suggested it will need the gas tank out (these are known to rust/leak along the seam where they mount to the trunk floor even in cars never exposed to winter roads...mine required two new tanks during its 22 years with us from new), all new fuel lines, and the carbs cleaned. If you're lucky, it's had the downdraft Weber carb replacements added as the original Zeniths are junk.

You'll need to carefully prepare the engine for it's first crank attempt -- details on that you can find online. Check it for all the usual M30 issues like the oiling tube bolt that backs out in the head and deprives the lobes of oil...you know, all the basic M30 engine evaluations.

It will need all four calipers rebuilt or replaced, all new soft brake lines, and probably a brake master cylinder. It will also need a new clutch master and slave cylinder most likely.

Most likely all coolant hoses are junk by now and will need replacement. It wouldn't be surprising *at all* if the heater core is leaking.

All fluids would need to be drained and replaced of course.

The choice would be to: (1) get it road worthy and sell it; (2) sell it as is, as a barn find untouched; (3) restore the entire car. Truly restoring the car begins with numerous multiples of $10k.

So the choice likely comes down to #1 or #2. Either path can be fruitful. Just document every last area of the car, fully present its condition, and then put it on BaT, no reserve.
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One could spend way more restoring this car than it would be worth.

The Bavaria model is not highly sought after, although this one appears to be a 2800 sedan, a bit more equipped car than the Bavaria (which I recall was a NAmer market car only - could be wrong about that tho).

If that car has sat for 27 years, and not in great storage, it will have a LOT of things to repair/replace etc, assuming you can even get parts today.

Personally, I wouldn't buy it, even for next to nothing.
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the car was put away in running condition 27 years ago because his kids weren't taking care of it and he just stored it. the owner is 68 years old and now wants to clean up the garage and get rid of it. To rebuild the carbs and adjust is going to cost $500. I think I would have to spend around $1500 to just get it in good safe running order. Tires, brakes, gas tank, registration..

I just want to see how the interior is and that tool kit in the back.

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the car was put away in running condition 27 years ago because his kids weren't taking care of it and he just stored it. the owner is 68 years old and now wants to clean up the garage and get rid of it. he wants $1000 for it. To rebuild the carbs and adjust is going to cost $500. I think I would have to spend around $1500 to just get it in good safe running order. Tires, brakes, gas tank, registration..

I just want to see how the interior is and that tool kit in the back.
You will need to replace all the hoses, belts, water pump, and thermostat also at the minimum.
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If you are interested in this car for the profit potential, your best bet would be to buy it "as is" and sell it as a barn find. Don't even wash it. Just flip it.

If you are going to fix this and that, you have a potential money pit on your hands. These things have a way of snowballing. 27 years of sitting means mice damage, deteriorated rubber, brittle wiring and frozen parts.

But - and this is a big but - if you are going to do a full-blown restoration a complete, unmolested car is the best start you could possibly have.
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thank you guys for the advise!

The owners wife had knee surgery this week, so we are going to wait until his wife gets better. When I get pictures I will post some up.
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This one went for $8,800 on Bring A Trailer and it looks pretty good.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-bmw-bavaria-4/

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We had a new one (3.0l) in '72. It was in the shop for most of its first month with issues, but after they got sorted it was a real delight, and a good-looking car. The paint crazed quickly, as was typical.
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do you guys know if that looks like an original color BMW would of used on the car?
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Yes, I think that was an original 2800 sedan color.......but that's a while back and I could be wrong. I did have a 1972 Bavaria in Malaga red back in the day, but didn't keep it long; BMW had better choices in the 2002 and 3.OCS area.
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do you guys know if that looks like an original color BMW would of used on the car?
My immediate gut reaction is yes, it's factory paint, and it's Agave Green.
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I'm sure the dust on the car makes the color look a little different.
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