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      11-15-2018, 10:38 AM   #353
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I have a feeling this will be out of production quick.... i just can't picture or imagine a 2 series gran coupe.
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Things were already confusing enough that two completely different cars, the F22 and F45 were both called the 2 Series. Trying to fit all the variants that BMW are wanting to make into a base 10 numeric system has become quite a mess.

Maybe as the cars got bigger and bigger, they should have bumped their class numbers up. The 3 would become the 4 and the 1 coupe could become a 3 instead of a 2. Then just make a coupe and sedan version of both the 4 (current 3/4) and the 3 (current 2 coupe) and reserve 1 and 2 for the FWD variants of sedans and hatchbacks. They threw the whole 4 doors odd, 2 doors even out the door when they started doing the GC stuff.

Isn't the 2 GC really just a 1 series sedan (like every GC) with less headroom for rear passengers?
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So there will be an M Performance M235i xDrive Gran Coupe.
Following on from the X2M35i xDrive. M Performance now breaks that forbidden taboo. Fwd.

In China they have just updated the F52 1er Sedan and introduced the first M Packet.
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they should save the FWD to 1 series.
Would be a big bummer to see the 2 series FWD based, whether GC or not.
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True but then why would I buy this over an Audi? What's the differentiation?

2-series has RWD with a straight 6 and that's what sells it over an A3. Frankly, that's about it.
exactly, if it doesn't have straight 6, RWD and manual, then we should just get an audi. Golf R for that matter.
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The pics Scott posted don't look too bad. How this sells versus the new 3 series will come down to price. This needs to be price competitive with other cars in its class to draw new buyers in the brand. It has to be at least $5K less than the starter 3 series. I'd like to see this with a M sport aero kit, a sight drop, and different wheels. It has potential in M235i form for around town use... not the track. I could see myself being drawn to this as a dad helping out his recent college grad son. After all, he sure isn't getting my M2!
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So there will be an M Performance M235i xDrive Gran Coupe.
Following on from the X2M35i xDrive. M Performance now breaks that forbidden taboo. Fwd.

In China they have just updated the F52 1er Sedan and introduced the first M Packet.
See, now I happen to think that looks really good. Looks properly aggressive in front, and much better proportioned than the A3. I don't understand why BMW made this a China-only model. Audi and Benz each sell 2-3k A3's and CLA's here per month. Benz is bringing over a new A-class sedan IN ADDITION to a new CLA, that's how well they've done. Why won't BMW bring this here? Give it a nice interior, all the tech stuff, and make sure it drives well, and they'd sell.
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exactly, if it doesn't have straight 6, RWD and manual, then we should just get an audi. Golf R for that matter.
So are you saying that if you're going to get an Audi, just get a Golf R? Or an A45 maybe?

I guess a nail in the coffin for BMW making a hatch with a high-output four. No-one will buy them, because other manufacturers are already making them

Well, I've always said that car design is basically converging on singular ways of doing it...
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I was hoping for a RWD 2GC. Didn't plan on having passengers of the human kind--just my two lapdogs on the rear seat. Didn't want the silhouette of a sedan--just the coupe.

Oh well, next.
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So are you saying that if you're going to get an Audi, just get a Golf R? Or an A45 maybe?

I guess a nail in the coffin for BMW making a hatch with a high-output four. No-one will buy them, because other manufacturers are already making them

Well, I've always said that car design is basically converging on singular ways of doing it...
I accepted the fact that BMW would be making a 1 series 4 banger high power. Given the competition, they should and this car would be on my shopping list. I'd love to see how it would match up against the A45, audi and Golf R.
My concern is whether would mess with the 2 series which is great the way it is now.
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Next generation 2 series two door with still be rear drive with a longitudinal engine, just the GC will be on the transverse engine platform. People say that the minis handle well. This will be on the mini platform. It'll probably handle well.
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Next generation 2 series two door with still be rear drive with a longitudinal engine, just the GC will be on the transverse engine platform. People say that the minis handle well. This will be on the mini platform. It'll probably handle well.
I wouldn't want a mini for a BMW price tag.

Although my wife has an X1 so I kind of do already, lol
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Still curious to see if this will ever make it to the US
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Still curious to see if this will ever make it to the US
Why wouldn't it? They need to sell lots of 4 bangers to meet ever more ridiculous CAFE standards
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The US gets this 2 series Gran Coupe instead of the 1-series sedan. I mean, it's basically like a BMW-badged four-door Ford Probe. I don't think that's a terrible thing, it's just a thing.
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exactly, if it doesn't have straight 6, RWD and manual, then we should just get an audi. Golf R for that matter.
So are you saying that if you're going to get an Audi, just get a Golf R? Or an A45 maybe?

I guess a nail in the coffin for BMW making a hatch with a high-output four. No-one will buy them, because other manufacturers are already making them

Well, I've always said that car design is basically converging on singular ways of doing it...
These were my sentiments when I read this. If they're going to get away from rwd, rwd biased awd, and longitudinal engine configuration, why not just get an s3 or whatever? If bmw wants to mimic the competition, we'd might as well buy from the competition who's more experienced manufacturing cars like these.
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Then again...I understand why bmw is moving in this direction. Enthusiasts tend to overestimate our impact on the broader automobile market. While I think enthusiasts still comprise a market of some significance, that market is shrinking on a global scale, and even within car enthusiast strongholds such as the U.S. My impression is that emerging markets like China value brand reputation and technology more than driving dynamics and track ability. That's not to say that motorists in emerging markets don't value a car that handles well, but they tend to prioritize other attributes over performance as an end in itself. With rising fuel costs, increasingly stringent regulations, and higher traffic volume, I expect that enthusiast models will become ever more niche. From a purely business perspective, I suppose one could just as easily critique bmw for not doing more to adapt in earlier iterations of their line up. As much as I'm loathe to admit this.
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When I read this from the Model Pipeline thread:
"F40 M135i xDrive: I don't usually report on non-US models, but I feel I should make an exception here since the US M235i GC will be virtually the same car in a different body. So, here's what to expect: same engine as X2 M35i (300hp version of transverse B48), sport automatic only, xDrive only, M Sport configuration includes as standard: bodywork, suspension (non-adaptive), brakes, steering rack, 18" wheels. Regular sport seats will be standard, with upgraded M Sport seats optional. "
This doesn't strike me as a car that will lack for driving dynamics. I mean, people race Minis and do pretty well. The 228iGC will be softer, sure, but this M-performance version should be set up pretty well.
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When I read this from the Model Pipeline thread:
"F40 M135i xDrive: I don't usually report on non-US models, but I feel I should make an exception here since the US M235i GC will be virtually the same car in a different body. So, here's what to expect: same engine as X2 M35i (300hp version of transverse B48), sport automatic only, xDrive only, M Sport configuration includes as standard: bodywork, suspension (non-adaptive), brakes, steering rack, 18" wheels. Regular sport seats will be standard, with upgraded M Sport seats optional. "
This doesn't strike me as a car that will lack for driving dynamics. I mean, people race Minis and do pretty well. The 228iGC will be softer, sure, but this M-performance version should be set up pretty well.
It's mostly the fwd and transverse engine that raise doubts. You're right though, in that it's just conjecture at this point since it's still in development.
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I am admittedly pretty interested in the reality of this car, as my e90 328 has to wear out eventually, and I'm not excited about how much the 3 series has enlarged in its recent generations.
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These were my sentiments when I read this. If they're going to get away from rwd, rwd biased awd, and longitudinal engine configuration, why not just get an s3 or whatever? If bmw wants to mimic the competition, we'd might as well buy from the competition who's more experienced manufacturing cars like these.
That logic would have applied to Lexus, Alfa and Mercedes though. Why enter the market when the 3 series was already there?
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The F44 2 Series Gran Coupe has reemerged, this time with production headlights and tail lights.

According to our latest future models information, the 2 Series Gran Coupe will arrive in late 2019 as MY2020.

The entry model (228i level) will be powered by the 228hp engine from the X1/ X2 and likely available in both FWD and AWD xDrive versions, while the M Performance model (m235i level) will feature the 302hp engine from the X2 M35i and come standard with xDrive.

[bpgaltitle]BMW 2 Series Gran Coupe Spied[bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/2/f44/spypics/11-14-18/F44-BMW 2 series GranCoupe 1.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/2/f44/spypics/11-14-18/F44-BMW 2 series GranCoupe 10.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/2/f44/spypics/11-14-18/F44-BMW 2 series GranCoupe 11.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/2/f44/spypics/11-14-18/F44-BMW 2 series GranCoupe 12.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/2/f44/spypics/11-14-18/F44-BMW 2 series GranCoupe 2.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/2/f44/spypics/11-14-18/F44-BMW 2 series GranCoupe 3.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/2/f44/spypics/11-14-18/F44-BMW 2 series GranCoupe 4.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/2/f44/spypics/11-14-18/F44-BMW 2 series GranCoupe 5.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/2/f44/spypics/11-14-18/F44-BMW 2 series GranCoupe 6.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/2/f44/spypics/11-14-18/F44-BMW 2 series GranCoupe 7.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/2/f44/spypics/11-14-18/F44-BMW 2 series GranCoupe 8.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/2/f44/spypics/11-14-18/F44-BMW 2 series GranCoupe 9.jpg[/bpgalitem][/bpgaltitle]



January 30, 2018

It's been months since the first BMW 2 Series Gran Coupe were spotted and the M235i Gran Coupe has now been spotted undergoing cold climate testing. Since then, we've learned that the B48 (B48A20T1) engine destined for the M235i Gran Coupe will produce 300 HP.

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September 28, 2017

Yesterday, we showed you the first BMW 2 Series Gran Coupe in M235i form (M Performance Model). Today brings the first look at the 228i Gran Coupe.

[bpgaltitle]BMW 235i Gran Coupe[bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/2/f44/spypics/9-28-17/BMW 2 GC Basis 1.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/2/f44/spypics/9-28-17/BMW 2 GC Basis 10.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/2/f44/spypics/9-28-17/BMW 2 GC Basis 2.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/2/f44/spypics/9-28-17/BMW 2 GC Basis 3.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/2/f44/spypics/9-28-17/BMW 2 GC Basis 4.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/2/f44/spypics/9-28-17/BMW 2 GC Basis 5.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/2/f44/spypics/9-28-17/BMW 2 GC Basis 6.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/2/f44/spypics/9-28-17/BMW 2 GC Basis 7.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/2/f44/spypics/9-28-17/BMW 2 GC Basis 8.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/2/f44/spypics/9-28-17/BMW 2 GC Basis 9.jpg[/bpgalitem][/bpgaltitle]

September 27, 2017

Last week, we confirmed the upcoming BMW 2 Series Gran Coupe (F44) for the U.S. market. BMW must have been listening as the first prototype has just been spotted out in testing!

We expect the first ever 2 Series Gran Coupe to come in later 2019 riding on the UKL FWD platform. Therefore, the entry model (228i level) will likely be available in both FWD and AWD xDrive, while the M Performance model (M235i level) should come with xDrive standard and powered by BMW's transverse B48 inline 4 cylinder engine. The prototype spotted here is the M Performance model as it wears blue M Performance brakes, lowered suspension, and M Performance bodywork.

It remains to be seen if an M2 Gran Coupe is in the works to take on the Audi RS3. Thus far, there has been no indication of plans to make UKL-based M models (only M Performance models), but that could always change.

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Econobox proportions, not a premium car imho. One can immediately tell this is a fwd transverse engine car. BMW, why are you doing this?
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