ZPOST
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   ZPOST > BMW Z4 Roadster and Coupe > General BMW Z4 Forum
  TireRack

SUPPORT ZPOST BY DOING YOUR TIRERACK SHOPPING FROM THIS BANNER, THANKS!
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      08-26-2013, 09:01 PM   #1
Urluz3n
Lackey
United_States
5
Rep
180
Posts

Drives: 07 BMW M Coupe
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Florida

iTrader: (0)

Driver's Education

This past weekend I participated in my first HPDE. I will do it again someday. I did learn that I will never take M Coupe on the track again. When you tack a car it needs to be a disposable car. A 30,000+ car is not disposable. I am buying a 1996 E36 M3 coupe to be my new track car.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=plcp&v=bLjM9Fc1JrM

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=plcp&v=YWxY881Xo_o

I never did pass anyone but, I was passed by everyone. I was working on technic. I watched many track events. It is a lot harder than I ever thought.

One of the hardest things for me to learn is toe & heel.

I suggest everyone try it at least once!
__________________
[
Appreciate 0
      08-26-2013, 09:09 PM   #2
Kgolf31
Brigadier General
Kgolf31's Avatar
394
Rep
4,588
Posts

Drives: 2007 Z4MC, 2012 128i
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Ohio

iTrader: (4)

IMO if you trust your car, you'll be fine.

If you get afraid, and second guess your actions. You'll get in trouble.

I'm glad you had fun, and came back with a car in 1 piece. No doubt about that.
Appreciate 0
      08-26-2013, 09:30 PM   #3
itdnwiwbp
Major
62
Rep
1,443
Posts

Drives: 330iZHP
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Long Beach, CA

iTrader: (10)

I know lots of people here track their cars and I think that's great but I'm with you. I love my M and want to have it around for many, many years. To me, it's nearly irreplaceable as I have it set up. Yes, I know it could get totaled next time I pull it out of the garage but for me it's a combination of "anything can happen on track" and also the accelerated wear during true high performance driving. I've also toyed with the idea of getting a dedicated track/autocross car because I love doing both. Recently I've decided that my ZHP will become that vehicle as soon as my wife is ready for an new daily. Fingers crossed that happens soon. :-)

Edit: I know someone will say that it is replaceable. Although I do have some rare parts, more what I mean is that I wouldn't want to go to the trouble and expense and most likely wouldn't.
__________________

Last edited by itdnwiwbp; 08-26-2013 at 09:57 PM..
Appreciate 0
      08-26-2013, 11:22 PM   #4
RADRACR
Captain
RADRACR's Avatar
United_States
62
Rep
906
Posts

Drives: '08 Z4 M Coupé // '09 X5 d
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Sioux Falls, South Dakota

iTrader: (2)

I share the sentiment of risk of loss, but... no other BMW drives like the Z4M. Just mind your skill level and drive within it. ANY speed on the track is more fun than street driving. I couldn't give a damn if people pass me. (but my planned coilovers and tires should fix that next year )

But yeah, if I could afford it, I'd do a twin-turbo RX-7 FD.
__________________
'08 Z4 ///M Coupé (#1765/1815) — 1 of 68 Sepang Bronze / Black Nappa / Madeira Wood / 1 of 1 this combo
19" Advan RS / AP Racing / Bridgestone RE-11 / Autosolutions SSK / R.E. Diablo / R.E. trans mounts
'09 X5 35dSpace Grey / Saddle Brown
20" Forgestar F14 / SCR Delete
Appreciate 0
      08-27-2013, 12:08 AM   #5
seank
enthusiast
seank's Avatar
44
Rep
1,695
Posts

Drives: e30 m3,e90 wagon,sprinter,z4m
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: sacramento, ca

iTrader: (4)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Urluz3n View Post
This past weekend I participated in my first HPDE. I will do it again someday. I did learn that I will never take M Coupe on the track again. When you tack a car it needs to be a disposable car. A 30,000+ car is not disposable. I am buying a 1996 E36 M3 coupe to be my new track car.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=plcp&v=bLjM9Fc1JrM

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=plcp&v=YWxY881Xo_o

I never did pass anyone but, I was passed by everyone. I was working on technic. I watched many track events. It is a lot harder than I ever thought.

One of the hardest things for me to learn is toe & heel.

I suggest everyone try it at least once!
My track car is not disposable and neither will your e36. I am not talking money. If it gets wrecked, then it gets wrecked but not to be confused with disposable.

Also, I don't know who was your instructor was, or if you had one, but I would have parked your car if I knew you were working on heel and toe for the first 8 months of driving. The foundation is very important to learn, so you don't end up with a car that makes people think it was disposable.

Btw, I have friends that are crazy fast and have never ever spun there car.......... To date.

The roads scare me more than racing on the track. Also, when you drive reguarly with a race group, you get to know the drivers around you on the track. The newbies you stay away from.
Appreciate 0
      08-27-2013, 08:51 PM   #6
Kgolf31
Brigadier General
Kgolf31's Avatar
394
Rep
4,588
Posts

Drives: 2007 Z4MC, 2012 128i
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Ohio

iTrader: (4)

I should add that you need to check with your insurance provider to see if they cover HPDE or any other type of high speed driving under your policy.

I'm covered for autocross, and HPDE.
Appreciate 0
      08-27-2013, 09:19 PM   #7
wonton180
Private First Class
wonton180's Avatar
United_States
2
Rep
106
Posts

Drives: 07 Z4MC
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Philadelphia

iTrader: (0)

OP, good for you for giving it a try. I too did my first HPDE event earlier this month. I had the same feelings about the level of risk with my baby. I think I had more fear than fun, but everyone says you get more comfortable with a little practice.

the speed (and passing) will come with some more track time, knowing the line. I'd stay away from heel/toe until you're really at comfort.
Appreciate 0
      08-28-2013, 09:46 AM   #8
3002 tii
Lieutenant General
3002 tii's Avatar
United_States
1331
Rep
11,751
Posts

Drives: Z4M, X3 35i, i3 REx
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CT

iTrader: (91)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by Urluz3n View Post
This past weekend I participated in my first HPDE. I will do it again someday. I did learn that I will never take M Coupe on the track again. When you tack a car it needs to be a disposable car. A 30,000+ car is not disposable. I am buying a 1996 E36 M3 coupe to be my new track car.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=plcp&v=bLjM9Fc1JrM

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=plcp&v=YWxY881Xo_o

I never did pass anyone but, I was passed by everyone. I was working on technic. I watched many track events. It is a lot harder than I ever thought.

One of the hardest things for me to learn is toe & heel.

I suggest everyone try it at least once!
HPDE insurance... I just picked it up this year after I started putting down decent times.
__________________
Follow for latest mods
Appreciate 0
      08-28-2013, 10:20 AM   #9
gtMc
Captain
gtMc's Avatar
19
Rep
704
Posts

Drives: '08 MC
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: NNJ

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
'03 e39 m sport  [0.00]
'08 mc  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kgolf31 View Post
I should add that you need to check with your insurance provider to see if they cover HPDE or any other type of high speed driving under your policy.

I'm covered for autocross, and HPDE.
Do you have more of a specialty insurer that also provides this? Or is it one of the big well known insurers?

Quote:
Originally Posted by DSC_OFF View Post
HPDE insurance... I just picked it up this year after I started putting down decent times.
Agree, great peace of mind no matter where you get it from. I added aftermarket hpde Insurance when I went. And will again this year unless I discover what kgolf mentions above. That'd be awesome.
__________________
ZHP/Zeck CDV/VT engine mounts/RE trans mounts;clutch stop/Stubby
Appreciate 0
      08-28-2013, 12:18 PM   #10
Kgolf31
Brigadier General
Kgolf31's Avatar
394
Rep
4,588
Posts

Drives: 2007 Z4MC, 2012 128i
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Ohio

iTrader: (4)

Quote:
Originally Posted by gtMc View Post
Do you have more of a specialty insurer that also provides this? Or is it one of the big well known insurers?
Farmers.

Called and asked, specifically about autocross and HPDE.

My agent let me know, as long as it isn't wheel to wheel racing I'm covered. I guess this covers timed trials as well? Dunno.
Appreciate 0
      08-28-2013, 03:54 PM   #11
gtMc
Captain
gtMc's Avatar
19
Rep
704
Posts

Drives: '08 MC
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: NNJ

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
'03 e39 m sport  [0.00]
'08 mc  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kgolf31 View Post
Farmers.

Called and asked, specifically about autocross and HPDE.

My agent let me know, as long as it isn't wheel to wheel racing I'm covered. I guess this covers timed trials as well? Dunno.
That's a huge bonus. I'm calling mine to ask as well. I just assumed there was no chance hpde or auto -x would be covered under current policy.
__________________
ZHP/Zeck CDV/VT engine mounts/RE trans mounts;clutch stop/Stubby
Appreciate 0
      08-28-2013, 05:32 PM   #12
Blind32
Certified Adrenaline Junkie
Blind32's Avatar
United_States
35
Rep
1,325
Posts

Drives: '07 Z4MC
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Dallas TX

iTrader: (2)

Send a message via AIM to Blind32 Send a message via Yahoo to Blind32
Becareful about asking and believing them. They can say whatever but what is really important is what is written in your policy. Read it and make sure you understand it before relying on it.
Appreciate 0
      08-28-2013, 06:06 PM   #13
Kgolf31
Brigadier General
Kgolf31's Avatar
394
Rep
4,588
Posts

Drives: 2007 Z4MC, 2012 128i
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Ohio

iTrader: (4)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blind32
Becareful about asking and believing them. They can say whatever but what is really important is what is written in your policy. Read it and make sure you understand it before relying on it.
My dad has had the same agent (I'm under the family insurance with my own separate policy that covers my 2 cars alone) since I've known. very straight forward, and has helped us get the best insurance rates possible. I'll check the written policy but his work is golden because its never been anything but the truth from him
Appreciate 0
      08-28-2013, 06:06 PM   #14
Kgolf31
Brigadier General
Kgolf31's Avatar
394
Rep
4,588
Posts

Drives: 2007 Z4MC, 2012 128i
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Ohio

iTrader: (4)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blind32
Becareful about asking and believing them. They can say whatever but what is really important is what is written in your policy. Read it and make sure you understand it before relying on it.
My dad has had the same agent (I'm under the family insurance with my own separate policy that covers my 2 cars alone) since I've known. very straight forward, and has helped us get the best insurance rates possible. I'll check the written policy but his work is golden because its never been anything but the truth from him
Appreciate 0
      08-28-2013, 06:24 PM   #15
ZStig
instagram 997turbotom
204
Rep
7,344
Posts

Drives: 750hp 997tt
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Delray Beach, FL

iTrader: (3)

its tricky. To wreck a Z4m at a track would be heartbreaking. Only driving the same car at 7/10ths max, on the street, is equally a waste of money
__________________
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:18 PM.




zpost
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST