Evolve Carbon Airbox for Z4M

Imran@Evolve · 07-17-2012, 12:28 PM

Hi guys

Just looking for some feedback really.

We have had a number of requests recently to make our CSL style carbon air box for the Z4M and develop the necessary Alpha N map to go with it.

Here are some pictures of the E46 Evolve Carbon Airbox.

We would have to remake the cone part to suit the Z4M, develop the mapping and see if any hardware is required.

At the moment we the RRP on the E46 M3 version is $4200 including the tune and everything required to fit. I would expect the Z4M version to be around that price.

Let me know what you think.

johanness · 07-17-2012, 12:42 PM

Looks great, but not for that price.

Imran@Evolve · 07-17-2012, 12:48 PM

I appreciate that the price won't be for everyone but we have have sold over 50 of these for the E46 M3 in the first year of production. They are made in the UK by a composite company that makes lots of parts for F1 teams and are 100% pre-preg carbon.

beta · 07-17-2012, 02:03 PM

I've always wanted the CSL growl.

I wouldn't be able to budget this in for another 6 months, but count me as a definite YES as long as there are no permanent modifications to the car. Don't plan on selling the car ever, but being able to bring it back to stock in case I have to is a consideration.

nobrakese28 · 07-17-2012, 02:47 PM

I use to work in Aerospace composites, I can say that piece is a beauty. Extremely tricky geometry. 4200 is pretty expensive, but that would be a wicked option. What are the gains (hp,tq)?

gferil · 07-17-2012, 05:27 PM

That looks beautiful. I could be in depending on gains and what beta said regarding no permanent modifications. If we already have the Evolve tune on our cars, is there a bit more of a price break?

inTgr8r · 07-17-2012, 05:37 PM

Wow sexy bit O kit there !

beta · 07-17-2012, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by nobrakese28

I use to work in Aerospace composites, I can say that piece is a beauty. Extremely tricky geometry. 4200 is pretty expensive, but that would be a wicked option. What are the gains (hp,tq)?

I imagine it's pretty close to CSL numbers, which is probably another 15hp over headers. There's a dyno video here, he got 306 HP.

From what I hear you do this mostly for the glorious induction noise. $ per HP you're much much better off doing forced induction. This is only for the purists that want to keep it NA.

Imran: Make sure you post on the Z4-forum which is the UK version. I'm really hoping you guys go through with this

beta · 07-17-2012, 06:41 PM

Looks like as long as you don't cut the wires this is reversible. See this DIY.

flyzipper · 07-17-2012, 09:05 PM

It's a work of art, but the best I can say regarding interest at this point is 'maybe'.

Z4-VILLA · 07-17-2012, 09:45 PM

3k with tune and you would sell plenty in the Z4 M circle, personally Im more for FI

seank · 07-17-2012, 10:00 PM

Including the tune? Is that with an Alpha n or a tune to the ecu using the stock system.

asirvr4 · 07-18-2012, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Z4-VILLA

3k with tune and you would sell plenty in the Z4 M circle...

i agree..

looks interesting though.. hope it includes everything u need to get it running perfectly...

E82tt6 · 07-18-2012, 02:23 AM

Definitely a beautiful piece. I think you'd like get quite a few bites if it were in the 3-3.5k with tune range, but 4200 (especially if that doesn't include tuning) for 15-20hp and some beautiful noise is, in my opinion, a bit hard to swallow when a SC setup isn't that much more, and offers more than 10x the power gain.

I think there'd probably be some market for folks that really wanted to stay NA, and really wanted the wonderful induction noise. Personally, I'd find nearly 5 grand with a tune rather difficult to swallow, though hobbyists of greater means that really didn't want to go the FI route might not feel the same way.

Beedub · 07-18-2012, 02:56 AM

imran.... gorgeous piece!!! wow!! literally blew my mind seeing that!!

GammaZeta · 07-18-2012, 05:17 AM

Personally, I think you would sell a lot more if you used plastic to reduce the price instead of carbon fiber. It looks amazing but that's all the carbon fiber is there for...looks.

Imran@Evolve · 07-18-2012, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by beta

I've always wanted the CSL growl.

I wouldn't be able to budget this in for another 6 months, but count me as a definite YES as long as there are no permanent modifications to the car. Don't plan on selling the car ever, but being able to bring it back to stock in case I have to is a consideration.

There would be no permanent modifications. Would be 100% reversible.

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Originally Posted by nobrakese28

I use to work in Aerospace composites, I can say that piece is a beauty. Extremely tricky geometry. 4200 is pretty expensive, but that would be a wicked option. What are the gains (hp,tq)?

Thanks for the compliment. We went out to make the best we could! On a stock car with the tune and the airbox 20-25 WHP.

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Originally Posted by gferil

That looks beautiful. I could be in depending on gains and what beta said regarding no permanent modifications. If we already have the Evolve tune on our cars, is there a bit more of a price break?

Yes we can work something out for existing Evolve tune customers.

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Originally Posted by inTgr8r

Wow sexy bit O kit there !

Thanks

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Originally Posted by seank

Including the tune? Is that with an Alpha n or a tune to the ecu using the stock system.

Yes price is including the Alpha N tune carried out on the stock ECU.

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Originally Posted by asirvr4

i agree..

looks interesting though.. hope it includes everything u need to get it running perfectly...

Sure does. We have successfully upgraded over 30 E46 M3's in the USA with this package.

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Originally Posted by E82tt6

Definitely a beautiful piece. I think you'd like get quite a few bites if it were in the 3-3.5k with tune range, but 4200 (especially if that doesn't include tuning) for 15-20hp and some beautiful noise is, in my opinion, a bit hard to swallow when a SC setup isn't that much more, and offers more than 10x the power gain.

I think there'd probably be some market for folks that really wanted to stay NA, and really wanted the wonderful induction noise. Personally, I'd find nearly 5 grand with a tune rather difficult to swallow, though hobbyists of greater means that really didn't want to go the FI route might not feel the same way.

It includes the tune.

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Originally Posted by Beedub

imran.... gorgeous piece!!! wow!! literally blew my mind seeing that!!

Thanks Byron!

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Originally Posted by GammaZeta

Personally, I think you would sell a lot more if you used plastic to reduce the price instead of carbon fiber. It looks amazing but that's all the carbon fiber is there for...looks.

Plastic would not have the harmonics that CF does so would defeat the object of having this product.

crfine88 · 07-18-2012, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Beedub

imran.... gorgeous piece!!! wow!! literally blew my mind seeing that!!

Can you imagine how good our ESS manifold would look and sound in CF

Mirko · 07-18-2012, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by crfine88

Can you imagine how good our ESS manifold would look and sound in CF

ESS does make them out of CF for their E92 M3 superchargers. I wonder if they do for ours? Probably not though

Beautiful piece Imran!!

I've watched all the progress on the other forum and would love to add this to my car but like others pointed out I'd be more likely to go with a blower for that price. I think the most I would be able to stomach is $3K with tune.

Blind32 · 07-18-2012, 10:44 AM

Looks beautiful! Do you have any dyno graphs of before and after? I'm not interested in Peak WHP gains. I want to see what happens in the middle.

Imran@Evolve · 07-18-2012, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Blind32

Looks beautiful! Do you have any dyno graphs of before and after? I'm not interested in Peak WHP gains. I want to see what happens in the middle.

Here is a flywheel calculated graph (this is what UK customers are used to). The Delta is what we are concerned with so gives you an idea. This is at the higher end of the scale.

Beedub · 07-18-2012, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by crfine88

Can you imagine how good our ESS manifold would look and sound in CF

yes yes yes yes yes!!!!!! need!!

FYI anyone thats interested ive met these guys @ evolve in person and trust me i stand by my name on this site and give 110% gaurantee's that these guys are legit..... i wont lie, their upcoming s/c kit for the m3 has been making me consider dropping my z4m for a last of the line m3 and drop a evolve blower in their!!

in the cold day of light, i cant loose my little //M tho!!

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Imran@Evolve 5476 Rep 3,815 Posts Drives: All of them Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Bedfordshire UK iTrader: (0)	I appreciate that the price won't be for everyone but we have have sold over 50 of these for the E46 M3 in the first year of production. They are made in the UK by a composite company that makes lots of parts for F1 teams and are 100% pre-preg carbon.
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gferil Captain 33 Rep 740 Posts Drives: 06 Z4MC Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: San Francisco, CA iTrader: (6)	That looks beautiful. I could be in depending on gains and what beta said regarding no permanent modifications. If we already have the Evolve tune on our cars, is there a bit more of a price break?
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