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      07-28-2021, 06:43 PM   #1189
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It's plainly obvious that the punishment hasn't fitted the 'crime' in this case, any reasonable person would think that and lawyers have been engaged to push ahead with this anomaly which I think is beyond the capabilities of FIA as it stands.
I bring you the case of Max on Stroll at last year. If they penalize Lewis for this they should penalize Max for that.
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Yesssssss. Now hopefully they use it and it fails.
Only way Ham can win, that or another cheeky punt
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Only way Ham can win, that or another cheeky punt
As long as Max loses, doesn’t matter who wins.
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I bring you the case of Max on Stroll at last year. If they penalize Lewis for this they should penalize Max for that.
Each case should be taken on merit, I fail to see any comparison firstly with the seriousness of this Silverstone one and the speed at which it happened with the far more possibility of serious injury or worse.
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I bring you the case of Max on Stroll at last year. If they penalize Lewis for this they should penalize Max for that.
And that incident was far more obviously Verstappens fault...his disgraceful outburst (calling Stroll a "Mong") was worth a penalty alone for bringing the sport into disrepute.
With a different run-off, that crash would have been serious as well.
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      07-29-2021, 07:52 AM   #1194
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It's plainly obvious that the punishment hasn't fitted the 'crime' in this case
The punishment / penalty is never suppose to "fit the crime" this is racing, it is not eye for an eye.

Also with both drivers sharing some of the fault, it's silly to use that argument in sports. The penalty is judge based on the incident not the consequences. There was no intent.

I feel like I am repeating myself but Schumacher had intent when he crashed into Villeneuve in 1997, even thou he took himself out of the race, because he willfully and maliciously tried to take his opponent out he got disqualified and lost his wdc points. There was no intent in this incident. The fact that there was a lot of damage from a small amount of contact is part of the sport. Get over it.

Suing for damages in sports/racing is even more silly, in no sport do competitors get sued or pay for other competitors damages that happen during competition. That would set a bad precedence and probably end most sports. Red Bull needs to take their head out of their ass.

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Each case should be taken on merit, I fail to see any comparison firstly with the seriousness of this Silverstone one and the speed at which it happened with the far more possibility of serious injury or worse.
That’s where you fail to understand he rules and how the evaluate incidents.
The actions leading the the incident are taken into account, the outcome/consequences of the incident is not.
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Suing for damages in sports/racing is even more silly, in no sport do competitors get sued or pay for other competitors damages that happen during competition. That would set a bad precedence and probably end most sports. Red Bull takes to take their head out of their ass.
What RB fans, or should I say Max fans fail to realize is that if paying for damages existed, RB would have been bankrupt years ago with Max as their driver.
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RIC says nothing out of line between ham & ver crash. Of course RIC probably has a problem with Max to be fair.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...ynYC0FxTa.html
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Don't shoot the messenger!

RIC says nothing out of line between ham & ver crash. Of course RIC probably has a problem with Max to be fair.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...ynYC0FxTa.html
Your such a HAM fan!!!!
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Don't shoot the messenger!

RIC says nothing out of line between ham & ver crash. Of course RIC probably has a problem with Max to be fair.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...ynYC0FxTa.html
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I bring you the case of Max on Stroll at last year. If they penalize Lewis for this they should penalize Max for that.
And that incident was far more obviously Verstappens fault...his disgraceful outburst (calling Stroll a "Mong") was worth a penalty alone for bringing the sport into disrepute.
With a different run-off, that crash would have been serious as well.
But Stroll Is at least a Mong or worse
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Lewis Hamilton: 'Verstappen was 'surprised to hear from me'
That doesn't mean anything ..MAX is not for sale .
In the race it's a dog fight anyway , because every single drivers point really matters !
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And that incident was far more obviously Verstappens fault...his disgraceful outburst (calling Stroll a "Mong") was worth a penalty alone for bringing the sport into disrepute.
With a different run-off, that crash would have been serious as well.
This is why supporting a driver and team who make such statements and condone such outbursts is impossible. They have zero class. Absolutely none.
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But Stroll Is at least a Mong or worse
I actually feel bad for the kid (as much as you can for a very privileged one). I think he actually has talent, but he will never get out from under the the only reason he has a seat in F1 is because of his dad.

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This is why supporting a driver and team who make such statements and condone such outbursts is impossible. They have zero class. Absolutely none.
I don't disagree with this but I also think it is the nature of the business. F1 like any other top of the food chain sport is extremely competitive and cutthroat. All of them would do things they thought they'd never do to get or stay ahead. Some more than others obviously. This includes the drivers and members of each ones team.

TLDR, none of them have the moral high ground IMO, some much less than others though. I agree though, RB seems to be on the bottom of said hill.
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This is why supporting a driver and team who make such statements and condone such outbursts is impossible. They have zero class. Absolutely none.
1. (Mong)- Slang for spastic, but used against a person who says or does something completely idiotic by accident or without realisation.

Is there some other definition or usage of the word that's offensive? It sounds like a pretty straightforward (and perhaps accurate) insult
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Yes my friend just heard protest wasn't successful but then again what do we expect with Mercafia.
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1. (Mong)- Slang for spastic, but used against a person who says or does something completely idiotic by accident or without realisation.

Is there some other definition or usage of the word that's offensive? It sounds like a pretty straightforward (and perhaps accurate) insult
+1 and a cheap way of trying to stain Max after what he suffered.
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Yes my friend just heard protest wasn't successful but then again what do we expect with Mercafia.
Honestly, that's just part of racing. You can't go around changing finishing order when someone gets knocked out of a race - you'd have a mess on your hands. The penalty given to Lewis was too light, but probably within the guidelines of appropriate penalties in those situations. He took a risk, which was acceptable to him given that if he didn't take the risk he had no chance of winning the race; and in fact it may not have been long before Max drove away so it was perhaps his only opportunity to take such a risk
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+1 and a cheap way of trying to stain Max after what he suffered.
It's a pretty clever and cutting insult, I hope it doesn't have any truly awful connotations because I'm about to start using it in iRacing.
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