ZPOST
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   ZPOST > BIMMERPOST Universal Forums > General Automotive (non-BMW) Talk + Photos/Videos
  TireRack

SUPPORT ZPOST BY DOING YOUR TIRERACK SHOPPING FROM THIS BANNER, THANKS!
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      11-11-2019, 01:59 PM   #45
KILLINGIT
Registered
KILLINGIT's Avatar
2
Rep
4
Posts

Drives: 2012 BMW 335is Convertable
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Franklin, Pa

iTrader: (0)

Need to keep this option (flying) open next time I'm stuck in traffic.... just have to remember to keep shiny side up, rusty side down.
Appreciate 0
      11-11-2019, 02:04 PM   #46
Now_Rudi
Soy un perdedor
Now_Rudi's Avatar
6335
Rep
1,360
Posts

Drives: Flaming stock car
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Burning down the trailer park

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by GtiGyver View Post
Rate of is indeed a ratio.

* Speed is by definition a rate of change of position, therefore already a rate, adding the word rate before this does not add more meaning.
* High speed means high rate of change of position.
* High rate of speed means then, high rate of rate of position.

Can you explain to me how this makes more sense?

The correct terminology is High Speed. Nothing more, nothing less.
eg: High Speed Car Chase. NOT High Rate of Speed Car Chase.



I just don't understand how they could achieve such flight at any speed. I can't see anything that looks like a ramp that could launch them that high.
I know I've done some dumb things when I started driving, but luckily cars just weren't fast enough to cause this kind of catastrophic damage and loss of life.
In physics, speed is defined as the distance traveled per unit of time. Speed is the scalar quantity that is the magnitude of the velocity vector. Therefore, speed is already the rate of distance over time, otherwise known as velocity. The rate of speed is velocity over time, otherwise known as acceleration. By saying high rate of speed they would be implying picking up more speed...in which this case; these two boys certainly achieved.

From what I can see, in the photos, there is a dirt embankment opposite the building before the parking lot. In one of the photos, two officers are standing in it. Based on the amount of dirt strewn about the parking lot beyond this area, I would imagine that this is what caused their upward momentum.

I'm with you on being young and reckless. I, myself, displayed countless demonstrations of moronic driving when I was younger...but nothing to a degree like this. I can't imagine the sheer terror they felt once they lost control.
Appreciate 0
      11-11-2019, 02:12 PM   #47
cmyx6go
Major
cmyx6go's Avatar
2377
Rep
1,239
Posts

Drives: 2019 X6 ///M
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: NYC

iTrader: (2)

Garage List
2019 X6 ///M  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Now_Rudi View Post
I'm with you on being young and reckless. I, myself, displayed countless demonstrations of moronic driving when I was younger...but nothing to a degree like this. I can't imagine the sheer terror they felt once they lost control.
They were moving so fast, I'm not sure the terror was able to register. I hope that it was over before they knew what happened.
__________________
I thought I was a good person but the way I react when people drive slowly in the left lane would suggest otherwise
Appreciate 2
Now_Rudi6335.00
MKSixer15734.50

      11-11-2019, 02:16 PM   #48
NYG
Captain
NYG's Avatar
United_States
794
Rep
899
Posts

Drives: 2019 M4 CS
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Brooklyn, NY

iTrader: (0)

She's a brick........ hooouuusssee
Appreciate 4
rlmesq884.50
SFCM31073.00

      11-11-2019, 02:23 PM   #49
GtiGyver
First Lieutenant
GtiGyver's Avatar
Canada
36
Rep
341
Posts

Drives: 2008 Jerez Black E90 M3 MT
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Montreal

iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Now_Rudi View Post
In physics, speed is defined as the distance traveled per unit of time. Speed is the scalar quantity that is the magnitude of the velocity vector. Therefore, speed is already the rate of distance over time, otherwise known as velocity. The rate of speed is velocity over time, otherwise known as acceleration. By saying high rate of speed they would be implying picking up more speed...in which this case; these two boys certainly achieved.

From what I can see, in the photos, there is a dirt embankment opposite the building before the parking lot. In one of the photos, two officers are standing in it. Based on the amount of dirt strewn about the parking lot beyond this area, I would imagine that this is what caused their upward momentum.

I'm with you on being young and reckless. I, myself, displayed countless demonstrations of moronic driving when I was younger...but nothing to a degree like this. I can't imagine the sheer terror they felt once they lost control.
Everything you stated is correct (I'm actually a physicist, but work as an engineer since jobs are better than no jobs.... lol).
I'm pretty sure that most people's self-preservation instinct would have kicked in before this could have happened.
Appreciate 2
Now_Rudi6335.00
MKSixer15734.50

      11-11-2019, 02:28 PM   #50
Now_Rudi
Soy un perdedor
Now_Rudi's Avatar
6335
Rep
1,360
Posts

Drives: Flaming stock car
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Burning down the trailer park

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by cmyx6go View Post
They were moving so fast, I'm not sure the terror was able to register. I hope that it was over before they knew what happened.
I would certainly hope that to be the case, but I'm sure there was a split-second's worth of "oh shit!" Had it been me, there would have been a third skidmark from the point of lost control.

Quote:
Originally Posted by GtiGyver View Post
Everything you stated is correct (I'm actually a physicist, but work as an engineer since jobs are better than no jobs.... lol).
I'm pretty sure that most people's self-preservation instinct would have kicked in before this could have happened.
&

I'm a Project Coordinator aka work in engineering but without the degree.
Appreciate 1
MKSixer15734.50

      11-11-2019, 02:52 PM   #51
Polo08816
Brigadier General
1134
Rep
3,186
Posts

Drives: 2014 335i M Sport
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: MD

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottSinger View Post
I think 2010 Boxster base model. but double chk
Imagine how much better this would have been if it was a 911 GT3. That would have been good for reaching the 3rd story... at least... if not the 4th or 5th floors.
Appreciate 1
      11-11-2019, 03:45 PM   #52
Maestro
Major
586
Rep
1,206
Posts

Drives: 2007 335i Sedan
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Philadelphia

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by M_Six View Post
My first car was an $800 '67 Dodge Dart with an inline 6 and 3 on the tree. It couldn't get airborne if I drove it off a cliff.

This Porsche incident reminds me of the M5 incident in FL on the runway beside John Travolta's house. That car also went seriously airborne and killed four or five kids if I recall correctly.

Oh you would be surprised what your could do with that Slant 6. My buddy in high school had the Dukes of Hazards color Orange Dart with the Slant 6 and we use to play dukes of hazards with that car. Lucky for us we did this stupid stuff in an open ball field.
Appreciate 2
M_Six2874.00
MKSixer15734.50

      11-11-2019, 04:07 PM   #53
M_Six
Free Thinker
M_Six's Avatar
United_States
2874
Rep
6,686
Posts

Drives: 2012 MB C300 4matic
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Foothills of Mt Level

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maestro View Post
Oh you would be surprised what your could do with that Slant 6. My buddy in high school had the Dukes of Hazards color Orange Dart with the Slant 6 and we use to play dukes of hazards with that car. Lucky for us we did this stupid stuff in an open ball field.
We also used to barrel around an open field that was a large hill. We'd get moving down the hill on wet grass and then start the car spinning. Sheer stupidity, but that was me in my young and dumb years. When I look back at all the idiotic shit I pulled when I was a kid I'm amazed that I'm still alive.
__________________
Mark
markj.pics

"There is no shame in dropping fruit in your glass."
-UncleWede
Appreciate 1
Now_Rudi6335.00

      11-11-2019, 07:40 PM   #54
TrevorM3
Major General
1380
Rep
6,081
Posts

Drives: 6.3 AMG
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Florida

iTrader: (0)

sucks. but some of us could have easily been in the same position, from our past mistakes. Unfortunately this one cost the driver his life, and his friends. rip.
Appreciate 0
      11-11-2019, 09:15 PM   #55
Ric in RVA
Bergspyder
Ric in RVA's Avatar
United_States
588
Rep
794
Posts

Drives: '11 BMW 128i Sport 6mt
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Richmond VA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by M_Six View Post
We also used to barrel around an open field that was a large hill. We'd get moving down the hill on wet grass and then start the car spinning. Sheer stupidity, but that was me in my young and dumb years. When I look back at all the idiotic shit I pulled when I was a kid I'm amazed that I'm still alive.
And oh so glad there was no video.....
__________________
Ric in RVA

2011 128i 6 MT Sport, 10 Land Rover LR4, 2011 528i N52, 18 F150 Platinum, Sequoia, 01 Excursion FOR SALE, a few motorcycles.
Appreciate 2
M_Six2874.00
MKSixer15734.50

      11-11-2019, 09:17 PM   #56
M_Six
Free Thinker
M_Six's Avatar
United_States
2874
Rep
6,686
Posts

Drives: 2012 MB C300 4matic
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Foothills of Mt Level

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ric in RVA View Post
And oh so glad there was no video.....
__________________
Mark
markj.pics

"There is no shame in dropping fruit in your glass."
-UncleWede
Appreciate 1
MKSixer15734.50

      11-11-2019, 11:16 PM   #57
rlmesq
Major
885
Rep
1,350
Posts

Drives: 2018 440i M Sport
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Chico, CA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by NYG View Post
She's a brick........ hooouuusssee
Shake it down, shake it down now.
Appreciate 1
NYG793.50

      11-11-2019, 11:39 PM   #58
pennsiveguy
Lieutenant
pennsiveguy's Avatar
United_States
734
Rep
404
Posts

Drives: F15 xDrive50i M-sport
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Edina, MN

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
I saw the other post, which makes their "flight pattern" more clear. But it's still amazing how they missed those wires, and the guy wires attached to that power pole.
__________________
2017 F15 xDrive50i M Sport | Superformance GT40 Roush 511 IR FE | 2006 Ford GT
Appreciate 0
      11-12-2019, 12:40 AM   #59
Gamb1t
Captain
Gamb1t's Avatar
Canada
361
Rep
843
Posts

Drives: 330i, X1, RX-8
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Canukistan

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by QUiKSR20 View Post

Sad, I know its obvious they were doing something unsafe but we've all done the same as kids im sure...
On a go kart once but that was 2 feet off the ground... But never in a Porsche.

Laws of physics are just.
Appreciate 0
      11-12-2019, 01:59 PM   #60
brad850csi
Lieutenant Colonel
521
Rep
1,548
Posts

Drives: 16 F13 M6 Comp
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

iTrader: (0)

If they were in a GT3 or GT2 would they have cleared the house completely due to the higher speed, or would the downforce have still sent them into the 2nd story?
__________________
SCOTT26 "So as an admirer of the M5 and a potential customer of an M5 Touring. I would run naked around the streets of Garching if they were to offer one."
Appreciate 0
      11-12-2019, 05:54 PM   #61
rlmesq
Major
885
Rep
1,350
Posts

Drives: 2018 440i M Sport
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Chico, CA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by QUiKSR20 View Post
Sad, I know its obvious they were doing something unsafe but we've all done the same as kids im sure...
I'm always amazed that there are any human beings over the age of 27. By that point, we've all done so many stupid things we should be dead dozens of times over.
Appreciate 4
Now_Rudi6335.00
Suds204.50

      11-12-2019, 05:57 PM   #62
chenry
Major
580
Rep
1,336
Posts

Drives: BostonWhaler,340+18 BMWs sofar
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: SoCal

iTrader: (6)

Quote:
Originally Posted by rlmesq View Post
I'm always amazed that there are any human beings over the age of 27. By that point, we've all done so many stupid things we should be dead dozens of times over.
this
Appreciate 0
      11-12-2019, 05:57 PM   #63
rlmesq
Major
885
Rep
1,350
Posts

Drives: 2018 440i M Sport
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Chico, CA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by brad850csi View Post
If they were in a GT3 or GT2 would they have cleared the house completely due to the higher speed, or would the downforce have still sent them into the 2nd story?
I dunno… but if it was Tracy Morgan in a brand new Bugatti Veyron, it probably would have ended up in the basement.
Appreciate 0
      11-12-2019, 07:39 PM   #64
Stage IV
F8SE7EN
Stage IV's Avatar
United_States
2578
Rep
1,563
Posts

Drives: 2017 M2L
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Chester County, PA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2017 M2  [0.00]
"Not my dad's Boxter"

"No offense, but your dad's Boxter is a Porsche with panties"
__________________
'17 BSM 6MT M2|Fabspeed DP|DINAN P2|UUC SSK|7.6 lbs/hp|245/40 X-ice 3 square winter setup
Appreciate 0
      11-12-2019, 07:56 PM   #65
dtla1
Major
dtla1's Avatar
406
Rep
1,395
Posts

Drives: 2011 135i, Space Grey
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Silicon Valley

iTrader: (2)

I'm actually surprised no one has done a back of the envelope calc to figure out roughly what speed they might have been going.
Appreciate 0
      11-12-2019, 08:08 PM   #66
Flacht3
Not Enough Garage Space
Flacht3's Avatar
714
Rep
569
Posts

Drives: 991.2 GT3, X1 xDrive28i
Join Date: May 2016
Location: San Francisco, CA

iTrader: (0)

Tires were off by 2 psi, obviously.
__________________
Appreciate 2
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:09 AM.




zpost
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST