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06-29-2020, 11:12 AM | #1 |
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Should you buy a high mileage BMW?
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06-30-2020, 02:38 PM | #2 |
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I always tell people who ask, it's a great second or third car. Something to have fun with but if you are used to leasing and not doing anything but oil changes you will probably hate it. If you've always wanted an Z3, Z4, 128i or something fun go for it. But in terms of reliability I wouldn't want to have just one older bimmer.
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The Z4 was the last BMW "car" built at Spartanburg and the build quality vastly improved over the Z3. My Z4 has been the most trouble free BMW (of the 5 I've owned). I also have a '06 E90 (N52) with 393,000 miles on it. It required just a single tow truck event when the water pump gave up the ghost at 149,000 miles on a 100 deg. July day in 2011. All cars need maintenance and repairs.
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A manual transmission can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it; it doesn't need "modes", modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission. If you can money-shift it, it's a manual transmission. "Yeah, but NO ONE puts an automatic trans shift knob on a manual transmission."
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07-06-2020, 08:50 PM | #7 | |
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The Valvetroninc and VANOS on both my N52s have been extremely reliable, far more reliable than vacuum-controlled point/condenser ignition systems of the 1970s. I'll take electronic fuel injection and ignition over a carburetor/point-ignition system any day of the week. The rest is just software at this point.
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A manual transmission can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it; it doesn't need "modes", modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission. If you can money-shift it, it's a manual transmission. "Yeah, but NO ONE puts an automatic trans shift knob on a manual transmission."
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07-08-2020, 11:39 AM | #11 | |
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07-08-2020, 12:46 PM | #12 |
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I make sure my E70 X5 is babied and gets all the TLC it needs and things still break that in Japanese brands would be operational original parts when the car is at end of life and going to the junkyard. The E85 and E86 platforms seem to be happy exceptions to reliability issues on many BMW products so let’s be thankful there.
As a side note, I followed some of the reporting on the joint Toyota -BMW development of the current G29 Z4 / Supra cars and there was more than one report talking about things that Toyota sent back to BMW to be redesigned to bring reliability up to Toyota standards. While I personally think that for the money BMW charges their reliability should be best in the industry, and that they should be both ashamed and embarrassed that Toyota sent stuff back for not being good enough, at least perhaps G29 Z4 owners can take some comfort that some components of their car should be as reliable as a common and much cheaper Toyota Corolla. BMW needs to recognize that luxury means reliability. A car that doesn’t run properly or at all and costs a bloody fortune to fix when it breaks is not as luxurious as the economy car that provides years of trouble free service. Last edited by Huz-Z; 07-08-2020 at 01:00 PM.. |
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07-08-2020, 02:52 PM | #14 |
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From https://www.quora.com/Does-Toyota-Su...-with-BMW-help
“When the contract was settled and BMW provided their engine, Toyota took it apart and the first thing they did was began their reliability tests on it. Apparently they change a handful of parts and redesigned other components so that the engine could meet Toyota reliability standards.” |
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Could it partly be because Toyota also has reputation for very low and inexpensive maintenance as compared to BMW? The changes they made may be as much for that.
A few years ago I purchased an 06 X3 with 150K miles on it. I bought it as a second car to use as a winter beater. It was not what I would consider great shape. But the thing always started and ran great. It did have its issues but most were inexpensive DIY repairs and I liked the thing so much I made a project out of it. I learned so much about that car and BMWs. After a few years about putting about 30K miles on it i got rid of it and I ended up with my Z4. If you have tools and are handy and enjoy the work, I would not shy away from higher mileage BMW for a second car as long as it has one of the reliable engines. Last edited by TF07Z430i; 07-08-2020 at 06:35 PM.. |
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A dead transfer case, just one of the many components to fail So far on my X5, is a several thousand dollar repair, even with a rebuilt part. If not for the extended warranty on my car, I’d be screwed.
The turbocharged engine in the current Z is horribly complex and a potential disaster |
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