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      10-26-2023, 10:02 AM   #4731
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Things that make you go Hmmmmmm.
Mercedes-Benz shares fall 6% as profit falls; CFO bemoans ‘brutal’ EV pricing
Chief Financial Officer Harald Wilhelm described the EV market as a “pretty brutal space,” Reuters reported. It comes as some traditional automakers sell EVs for less than regular combustion-engine cars — despite higher production costs.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/26/merc...-ev-space.html
Probably 'whoop az' added also from the hiding they are getting on the F1 tracks
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Things that make you go Hmmmmmm.
Mercedes-Benz shares fall 6% as profit falls; CFO bemoans ‘brutal’ EV pricing
Chief Financial Officer Harald Wilhelm described the EV market as a “pretty brutal space,” Reuters reported. It comes as some traditional automakers sell EVs for less than regular combustion-engine cars — despite higher production costs.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/26/merc...-ev-space.html
This was the point I was making earlier about Tesla dropping their prices. It is bringing major pressure on their competition.
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      10-26-2023, 01:10 PM   #4734
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Wait, what?!! I thought EVs were less expensive to produce than ICEV?
Yes I thought the same thing. Soon EV's will be so cheap they will be the prize in a box of Cracker Jacks.
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      10-26-2023, 01:41 PM   #4735
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Yes I thought the same thing. Soon EV's will be so cheap they will be the prize in a box of Cracker Jacks.
I thought that everyone understood that EVs are presently sold at a loss per car with the exception of BYD and Tesla.
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This was the point I was making earlier about Tesla dropping their prices. It is bringing major pressure on their competition.
Its bringing major pressure on tesla itself too.
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Yes i still want an ev
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This was the point I was making earlier about Tesla dropping their prices. It is bringing major pressure on their competition.
China's BYD with the help of the Chinese government could bury Tesla in a New York second. You don't think Warren Buffett is backing BYD because he gives a crap about the environment? I think Musk is playing very dangerous politics here with "X". With out Dem Government Largess he will be just another foot note in history before that is erased.
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Yes i still want an ev

Of course you do
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Its bringing major pressure on tesla itself too.
They will be fine.
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Ford's Model E 2023 Q3 Earnings:

$1.3 billion loss ($3.1 billion total loss Q1-Q3)

Negative EBIT margin of -75.6%


Ford says "many North America customers interested in buying EVs are unwilling to pay premiums for them over gas or hybrid vehicles, sharply compressing EV prices and profitability."
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      10-26-2023, 04:13 PM   #4743
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and a SC 8 cylinder Cadillac
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and a lemon filled donut with the powdery stuff on top
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dealerships aren't exactly trying to push EV's and it isn't hard to figure out why.....
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dealerships aren't exactly trying to push EV's and it isn't hard to figure out why.....
Sales 101
You don't push an inferior product
It's always the alpines and the kickers before the pioneers and Kenwood's when you sold car audio in the 2000s
Then there are the Duals which were bottom of the barrel
EVs are somewhere between that and a cheap Kenwood deck
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      10-26-2023, 04:35 PM   #4746
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dealerships aren't exactly trying to push EV's and it isn't hard to figure out why.....
I'm shopping for a X5 xDrive40i right now. My dealer ship has no inventory but plenty of iX xDrive50's and X5 xDrive50e's on lot. You can guess how I reacted to a EV. So the conversation turns to ordering one to my spec and they would trade one of their allocations with another dealer to get me a spot in line. Only issue is this dealer had almost all EV's on allocation and no one wants to trade.

I'm in no hurry as the M4 CS in the garage keeps telling me to keep it and the Tacoma says I have your back this winter. Yes My cars talk to me.
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      10-26-2023, 04:42 PM   #4747
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Yay!!!

Let's go BP!!! I knew you guys were cool after all!!
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Let's go BP!!! I knew you guys were cool after all!!
So we see you are a man of high morals and standards. Deepwater Horizon oil spill is all forgiven if they buy EV chargers for environmentally damaging EV's. Good to know.

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Some home truths on 'climate change' with this lying greenie scientist.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/238616...ing-wildfires/
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Some home truths on 'climate change' with this lying greenie scientist
He wasn't lying, he was auditioning for a job as a IPCC researcher. May be The University of East Anglia (UEA) or NOAA has a job opening for another pathological liar?
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So we see you are a man of high morals and standards. Deepwater Horizon oil spill is all forgiven if they buy EV chargers for environmentally damaging EV's. Good to know.
I'm just bummed it's not happening sooner. They said 2030, which is the holy shit era.

How i wish it was sooner but oh well. Hopefully others can jump on board with this.
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Sales 101
You don't push an inferior product
It's always the alpines and the kickers before the pioneers and Kenwood's when you sold car audio in the 2000s
Then there are the Duals which were bottom of the barrel
EVs are somewhere between that and a cheap Kenwood deck
For dealers around 50 percent of their profit comes from service and parts. EVs are a disaster to the standard dealer model. And they have to build the support structure to recharge cars on the lot. I understand why dealers would be poorly aligned on core values to promote EVs. I don’t blame them one bit for not pushing EVs.

https://www.edmunds.com/car-buying/w...ng%20to%20NADA.
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