Car quality is slipping...EV's even more so?

[T0RM3NT]

Probably not surprising...and just one perspective. Thoughts?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ca...?siteid=yhoof2

[Chihuahua]

I always take these sorts of lists with a grain of salt, I remember reading once that if someone returns a car to the dealer because they can't figure out how to turn the radio on, it gets marked as a 'problem'. I'm not sure what survey that applied to.

[allinon72]

With the perfect storm of material shortages, labor shortages, and supply chain gridlock, vehicle quality has to have gone down, necessarily, across the board. When manufacturers do things like finish 95% of the vehicle and let it sit outside, only to be finished later, or finished at the dealer, quality is going to go down. Materials are substituted with different suppliers, perhaps at a moments notice with little vetting. Factories go with less people on the assembly lines because of labor shortages. All these things will lower quality and most all manufacturers have been affected in one way or another.

EVs are going to suffer because what we have right now are ancient car manufacturers, who have historically built cars with relatively rudimentary control systems, trying to transition to what amounts to tech companies. That will take time, a lot of it.

[Donatello.]

Corporate greed. Lesser quality parts, assembly, etc to increase bottom line & more $ for big wigs & shareholders.

Same with food. Prices keep going up, but portions keep getting smaller

[Humdizzle]

i wouldn't be surprised if some companies are doing the 'planned obsolescence' thing. why make a car that lasts forever ? that is no good for a business model. apple has already been caught doing it with iphones (latest software updates make the older phones run worse).

[chris719]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

i wouldn't be surprised if some companies are doing the 'planned obsolescence' thing. why make a car that lasts forever ? that is no good for a business model. apple has already been caught doing it with iphones (latest software updates make the older phones run worse).

Overall agree with you, but not on Apple. I doubt it's intentional on Apple's part, unless you're talking about that battery health throttling thing, which is technically a good thing, just misunderstood.

Apple is by far the best at supporting old hardware in that entire industry. I have Google Pixel 3 XLs that aren't that old and are no longer supported. Apple goes back at least 2 years longer than everyone else. Qualcomm won't update proprietary blobs for some SoCs after a few years which means any phone using their stuff will cease to get any kernel updates.

[NYG]

Quality on everything is getting worse imo.

[///d]

Originally Posted by NYG

Quality on everything is getting worse imo.

Truth. Quality seems to drop but prices still rise.

Hell, even quality in service has been dropping. I remember when people were helpful and friendly when going places, now everyone gets upset when they have to step away from their phone to help a customer. Probably has a connection to drops in quality products as well, if the person making said product doesn't care then the product suffers.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by ///d

Truth. Quality seems to drop but prices still rise.

Hell, even quality in service has been dropping. I remember when people were helpful and friendly when going places, now everyone gets upset when they have to step away from their phone to help a customer. Probably has a connection to drops in quality products as well, if the person making said product doesn't care then the product suffers.

And they all want to be paid more. It's all going to shit.

[StradaRedlands]

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by allinon72

With the perfect storm of material shortages, labor shortages, and supply chain gridlock, vehicle quality has to have gone down, necessarily, across the board. When manufacturers do things like finish 95% of the vehicle and let it sit outside, only to be finished later, or finished at the dealer, quality is going to go down. Materials are substituted with different suppliers, perhaps at a moments notice with little vetting. Factories go with less people on the assembly lines because of labor shortages. All these things will lower quality and most all manufacturers have been affected in one way or another.

EVs are going to suffer because what we have right now are ancient car manufacturers, who have historically built cars with relatively rudimentary control systems, trying to transition to what amounts to tech companies. That will take time, a lot of it.

I agree with everything except the last paragraph as replacing engines and transmissions with batteries and motors isn't any more challenging or high tech as it's actually simpler, requiring far less parts. It's why in a very short time legacy automakers have already introduced EV's that are comparable to Tesla. You can also easily make the case that engine and transmission controls are incredibly complex today compared to controlling the frequency of an electric motor. EV's are simpler and easier to make which is why these upstart companies can get EV's from planning to road in a relatively short time.

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by chris719

Overall agree with you, but not on Apple. I doubt it's intentional on Apple's part, unless you're talking about that battery health throttling thing, which is technically a good thing, just misunderstood.

Apple is by far the best at supporting old hardware in that entire industry. I have Google Pixel 3 XLs that aren't that old and are no longer supported. Apple goes back at least 2 years longer than everyone else. Qualcomm won't update proprietary blobs for some SoCs after a few years which means any phone using their stuff will cease to get any kernel updates.

LOL

[chris719]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

LOL

What part of that do you not understand? The throttling is to prevent random shutdowns because battery resistance increases over time and CPU load transients can cause that to happen. Very common on older Android phones. If you just replace your battery full performance comes back.

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Lol. Come on man. Do you understand how a gasoline engine carburetor actually works? Or how a point-condenser ignition works? These two analog systems have been digitized, which took over 3 decades to perfect and surpass the performance and reliability of the original analog devices. Developing computer controlled digital emulation is real technology development that Apple and Google couldn't engineer their asses out of a paper bag relatively speaking.

Next up... Automatic Braking Systems...

Lol.

hold on a min … where did the steering feedback go? it's been some time and no cigar …