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      11-14-2018, 01:27 PM   #309
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# not sure why in F30 section..
Check that. It's in the Universal Forums -> General BMW Forum.

If you don't like the F30 at the top of the page, feel free to change the "F30" in the URL to "F48". That'll get you pictures of its closest relatives in the US.

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So it's an X2 Sedan...
No more so than a 3 Series is an X3 sedan, which is to say not really at all. Though, yes, the two do share a platform along with every other RWD BMW now, save for the 2 Series Coupe, 4 Series, and X6, since those haven't switched to the G generation yet.

It's really an F40 (yet to be released, next generation 1 Series hatchback) sedan. That and this will share a platform with the X1, X2, and other UKL vehicles not sold in the US. Though this is technically the next generation version of the platform called FAAR now, I believe.
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Because it's FWD with a 4 banger and not a RWD with a 6 banger
So a 235i will become a 4 banger, and the 2er will no longer be RWD but be FWD like the next 1er... Im officially confused
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It's really an F40 (yet to be released, next generation 1 Series hatchback) sedan. That and this will share a platform with the X1, X2, and other UKL vehicles not sold in the US. Though this is technically the next generation version of the platform called FAAR now, I believe.
Is there currently a place on bimmerpost where we can look for the latest info on the F40 (can't help but think of an Italian car when I see that...)? Been looking but I don't see it...

While I consider a fwd-based bimmer to be a bit of rolling blasphemy, it DOES sound an awful lot like a certain sporty v-dub compact I've owned for eight years (four doors, fwd, hatchback, and a snappy little turbo engine). I could see a future 135i hatch (fwd or awd) replacing my zippy v-dub in two years, provided BMW makes it look good - and offers a stick shift.
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      11-14-2018, 01:57 PM   #312
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So a 235i will become a 4 banger, and the 2er will no longer be RWD but be FWD like the next 1er... Im officially confused
There is knowledge in the thread.

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Is there currently a place on bimmerpost where we can look for the latest info on the F40 (can't help but think of an Italian car when I see that...)? Been looking but I don't see it...
https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=901686

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  • F40 M135i xDrive: I don't usually report on non-US models, but I feel I should make an exception here since the US M235i GC will be virtually the same car in a different body. So, here's what to expect: same engine as X2 M35i (300hp version of transverse B48), sport automatic only, xDrive only, M Sport configuration includes as standard: bodywork, suspension (non-adaptive), brakes, steering rack, 18" wheels. Regular sport seats will be standard, with upgraded M Sport seats optional. As far as other options, pretty much anything you can add to a G20 will be available on F40 too (well, not rear wheel drive, of course). Still on track for 07/19 SOP.

Of course, there will be models below M135i too, just as there are models below the M140i today. However, keep in mind, as has been the case for the past and current generations, the next 1 Series hatchback will not come to the US. We only get the 2 Series GC that is the topic of this thread.
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It seems that the awful hood line in the middle of nowhere will be back on these FWD 2-Series.

I they could make the 2nd gen (current) X1 which is also FWD without the hood line, I don’t know why the hood line came back with the X2, and now the new FWD 2 Series.



If I were a boss at BMW and the engineering team came to me with a car that has a hood line in the middle of nowhere I’d send them back to the drawing board.

It’s poor design and lazy engineering!
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So it's an X2 Sedan...
based on that wheel well gap i agree. im disappointed by it's ride height. they basically just threw a sedan body on the x1/x2 and called it a day. I'll wait for the m2gc with mxdrive that will eventually show up.
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based on that wheel well gap i agree. im disappointed by it's ride height. they basically just threw a sedan body on the x1/x2 and called it a day.
It's a test mule, not a production car. Common sense says it will not have an SUV ride height. Go look at pictures of the 1 Series sedan - it will sit just like that. If that's still too high for your tastes, well then so is every other series BMW sedan, and you were going to need to get lowering springs anyway.

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I'll wait for the m2gc with mxdrive that will eventually show up.
It isn't happening any time soon - almost surely not at all for the F44 generation. But Mercedes and Audi can help you out if you want a small 400hp sedan with AWD and a transverse engine.
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This just in - the next M2 will be FWD to provide increased oversteer and torque steer, something current owners said they prefer in their sports coupe. We interviewed 72 year old John Johnson and current BMW X2 owner and he confirmed, "When I drive, I don't like turning the wheel, but if I have to, I want it to be real easy like, and I don't want to worry about the back sliding should I accidentally push the gas pedal too hard. I also like the tug in the wheel I feel on my wife's Accord when I hit the gas, how hard can that be to duplicate, BMW?"

The only transmission option will be a 10 speed automatic developed in conjunction with FCA Group and pulled from the now defunct Chrysler 200. When asked about this decision, BMW execs said, "the consumer want more numbers and letters, so a 10 speed transmission is always better than 8, and an M245.75i Sport Xdrive will be perceived as more valuable and exclusive than a simple 230i."

This story is developing...stay tuned for more.
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      11-14-2018, 02:44 PM   #320
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It's a test mule, not a production car. Common sense says it will not have an SUV ride height. Go look at pictures of the 1 Series sedan - it will sit just like that. If that's still too high for your tastes, well then so is every other series BMW sedan, and you were going to need to get lowering springs anyway.
So long as it has a liftback and mounting points for a roof rack, that's fine by me. I keep going back to "just give me the E46 size with today's tech" and this is the ticket since we wont get the 1er.

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It isn't happening any time soon - almost surely not at all for the F44 generation. But Mercedes and Audi can help you out if you want a small 400hp sedan with AWD and a transverse engine.
Mostly a joke at BMW creating a product for everyone
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This just in - the next M2 will be FWD to provide increased oversteer and torque steer, something current owners said they prefer in their sports coupe.

...

This story is developing...stay tuned for more.
Four or five years ago, when knowledge of UKL BMWs (BMWs that will share the MINI platform, and thus be FWD) came about, it looked as if that is exactly what would happen. SCOTT has suggested that there was a degree of conflict and debate within BMW about this possibility.

In the end, a compromise was made. All sub-3-Series BMWs would move to UKL except the coupe and convertible which would stay on CLAR. This would allow both the 2 Series Coupe and the M2 to remain RWD. That's a big win for enthusiasts who want a high performance two-door passenger car.

So far however, for everyone else, it comes at price. All other form factors not only move to the FWD/AWD architecture, but the line up will top out with 300hp M Performance models. Contrast this to Audi and Mercedes approach where there is no small RWD coupe/convertible below the C Class and A4, but they invested in a full AMG and Quattro Sport RS chassis and powertrain for their *transverse* platform. They are therefore able to share this hardware across their small sedans, hatchbacks and SUVs, and offer high performance products with the level of performance that enthusiasts expect in form factors that can satisfy most everyone.

BMW deserves props for keeping the M2 RWD for the foreseeable future (into late next decade, at least, maybe longer), but they should not have done it at the cost of giving up an M program for the rest of their small vehicle lineup.
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Contrast this to Audi and Mercedes approach where there is no small RWD coupe/convertible below the C Class and A4, but they invested in a full AMG and Quattro Sport RS chassis and powertrain for their *transverse* platform. They are therefore able to share this hardware across their small sedans, hatchbacks and SUVs, and offer high performance products with the level of performance that enthusiasts expect in form factors that can satisfy most everyone.

BMW deserves props for keeping the M2 RWD for the foreseeable future (into late next decade, at least, maybe longer), but they should not have done it at the cost of giving up an M program for the rest of their small vehicle lineup.
Actually everything below the Mercedes C Class and the Audi A4 already has a transverse platform with a FWD/AWD setup and uses basically the same AWD setup as their lesser powered versions in each range so BMW is doing exactly the same thing.
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Actually everything below the Mercedes C Class and the Audi A4 already has a transverse platform with a FWD/AWD setup and uses basically the same AWD setup as their lesser powered versions in each range so BMW is doing exactly the same thing.
That was my mistake - sorry. I absolutely meant to type "transverse". Thank you for pointing out my error. I have corrected it.

BMW isn't quite doing the same thing. Yes, all three use a transverse platform, but BMW is the only one who has not gone all in with a full-bore high performance lineup akin to what they offer for their longitudinal chassis. Audi and Mercedes offer top of the line AMG and RS models with ~400hp (rumored to be as much as 420hp for Mercedes second generation AMG *45 vehicles, the first of which is launching very soon). As I mentioned in my post, BMW's lineup will top out with the 300hp M*35i M Performance models.
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Four or five years ago, when knowledge of UKL BMWs (BMWs that will share the MINI platform, and thus be FWD) came about, it looked as if that is exactly what would happen. SCOTT has suggested that there was a degree of conflict and debate within BMW about this possibility.

In the end, a compromise was made. All sub-3-Series BMWs would move to UKL except the coupe and convertible which would stay on CLAR. This would allow both the 2 Series Coupe and the M2 to remain RWD. That's a big win for enthusiasts who want a high performance two-door passenger car.

So far however, for everyone else, it comes at price. All other form factors not only move to the FWD/AWD architecture, but the line up will top out with 300hp M Performance models. Contrast this to Audi and Mercedes approach where there is no small RWD coupe/convertible below the C Class and A4, but they invested in a full AMG and Quattro Sport RS chassis and powertrain for their *transverse* platform. They are therefore able to share this hardware across their small sedans, hatchbacks and SUVs, and offer high performance products with the level of performance that enthusiasts expect in form factors that can satisfy most everyone.

BMW deserves props for keeping the M2 RWD for the foreseeable future (into late next decade, at least, maybe longer), but they should not have done it at the cost of giving up an M program for the rest of their small vehicle lineup.
Seeing how well the AMG A45, RS3, etc. are selling, I'm pretty sure BMW will eventually give in and make their smaller UKL models available in full M guise as well Keeping M as a purist RWD-based only lineup as opposed to AMG and Audi Sport is laudable... But if there are more buyers willing to jump from their A45 over to a new 1M hatch (hell, they could call it M1 hatch at this point) than there would be leaving BMW for 'selling out', then they most definitely will do it. Let's hope no M2 Active Tourer though
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Don't make another mistake... this has to available as an M2GC (S55) and would be the hottest hatch EVER.

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S55 not possible with front drive platform and side mounted engine. This is based on the x1 platform shared with MINI. Won't be 50/50 weight distribution and little in common with the M2C or M240i. 35i designation is for the B46.
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Actually everything below the Mercedes C Class and the Audi A4 already has a transverse platform with a FWD/AWD setup and uses basically the same AWD setup as their lesser powered versions in each range so BMW is doing exactly the same thing.
True but then why would I buy this over an Audi? What's the differentiation?

2-series has RWD with a straight 6 and that's what sells it over an A3. Frankly, that's about it.
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Seeing how well the AMG A45, RS3, etc. are selling, I'm pretty sure BMW will eventually give in and make their smaller UKL models available in full M guise as well Keeping M as a purist RWD-based only lineup as opposed to AMG and Audi Sport is laudable... But if there are more buyers willing to jump from their A45 over to a new 1M hatch (hell, they could call it M1 hatch at this point) than there would be leaving BMW for 'selling out', then they most definitely will do it. Let's hope no M2 Active Tourer though
I mean, at that point won't the entire lineup be all electric anyway so all this will me moot? [ducks]
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This just in - the next M2 will be FWD to provide increased oversteer and torque steer, something current owners said they prefer in their sports coupe. We interviewed 72 year old John Johnson and current BMW X2 owner and he confirmed, "When I drive, I don't like turning the wheel, but if I have to, I want it to be real easy like, and I don't want to worry about the back sliding should I accidentally push the gas pedal too hard. I also like the tug in the wheel I feel on my wife's Accord when I hit the gas, how hard can that be to duplicate, BMW?"

The only transmission option will be a 10 speed automatic developed in conjunction with FCA Group and pulled from the now defunct Chrysler 200. When asked about this decision, BMW execs said, "the consumer want more numbers and letters, so a 10 speed transmission is always better than 8, and an M245.75i Sport Xdrive will be perceived as more valuable and exclusive than a simple 230i."

This story is developing...stay tuned for more.






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