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      01-31-2019, 06:46 PM   #1
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Baltimore Schools to Police: You Canít Carry Guns Here

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I'd say good luck with that dont call us next time a shooting happens and you need help.
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Toronto had School Resource Officers for about 10 years up until last year when BLM pushed to have them removed. Students and parents were polled, less than 10% said they felt less safe with the police in the school so of course they were asked to leave by the school board....just batshit crazy.
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And if there happens to be a mass shooting or some other type of violent crime at one of the safe spaces they'll be ones screaming where the hell were the armed police dept and lawsuits galore will start. Idiots
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I'd say good luck with that dont call us next time a shooting happens and you need help.
Active shooter at the school, police are already on site. Ahh, but wait. Let me go to the precinct or headquarters or whatever they call it in MD and get my gun.

I just don't get this madness. When did this country get so anti law enforcement. It's pretty sad.
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Libs doing what they can to protect kids from guns. Got to protect the kids. Well unless they are in the womb, in that case we must protect the womans right to choose; no matter what trimester she happens to be in.
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Armed guards in schools is a bandaid fix that doesn't address the root of the problem.
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Armed guards in schools is a bandaid fix that doesn't address the root of the problem.
But if they are already there, why not allow them to carry their firearms?
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Libs doing what they can to protect kids from guns. Got to protect the kids. Well unless they are in the womb, in that case we must protect the womans right to choose; no matter what trimester she happens to be in.
From my understanding it seems its the GUNS they are protecting not the kids
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But if they are already there, why not allow them to carry their firearms?
They were never allowed to carry guns on school property. Bill HB31 would have overturned a previous ban on school police officers carrying guns in school. It was voted down 10-0.
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Armed guards in schools is a bandaid fix that doesn't address the root of the problem.
Which is?
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Armed guards in schools is a bandaid fix that doesn't address the root of the problem.
Perhaps, but having a police officer in schools has proved to have many benefits in Ontario (GTA). And by departmental procedure and work place safety legislation a police officer is require to carry all of his/her use of force equipment.

And until the problems are solved and they are many and complex what's the harm of the "band aid solution" of having police resource officers?
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Which is?
I don't know...maybe undiagnosed/untreated mental illness combined with easy access to firearms?

What do you think the problem is?
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Perhaps, but having a police officer in schools has proved to have many benefits in Ontario (GTA). And by departmental procedure and work place safety legislation a police officer is require to carry all of his/her use of force equipment.

And until the problems are solved and they are many and complex what's the harm of the "band aid solution" of having police resource officers?
So when and how do we address the problem? There are no armed guards in any of the schools in my area. When I was in school there was no armed guards...what changed?
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So when and how do we address the problem? There are no armed guards in any of the schools in my area. When I was in school there was no armed guards...what changed?
I don't know where you went to school and assume it was a few years ago, but in many large cities the police and boards of ed. have had school resource officers for well over a decade and the benefits have been show time and again. In a few small activist boards there has been a backing away from this model and usually based on a minority view. The boards of ed and governments have had decades to fix the problems in society that get manifested in schools and haven't been able to, in fact the problems have become worse. The police and boards of ed who have chosen the police resource officer model have seen some positive results so perhaps its a step in the right direction.

If you have solutions to all these big complex problems I'd be glad to hear them, but it's certain that the solution shouldn't come solely from the police. After all the roll of the police isn't to solve all of society's woes.
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I don't know where you went to school and assume it was a few years ago, but in many large cities the police and boards of ed. have had school resource officers for well over a decade and the benefits have been show time and again. In a few small activist boards there has been a backing away from this model and usually based on a minority view. The boards of ed and governments have had decades to fix the problems in society that get manifested in schools and haven't been able to, in fact the problems have become worse. The police and boards of ed who have chosen the police resource officer model have seen some positive results so perhaps its a step in the right direction.

If you have solutions to all these big complex problems I'd be glad to hear them, but it's certain that the solution shouldn't come solely from the police. After all the roll of the police isn't to solve all of society's woes.
Where are the benefits you speak of? It seems the benefits are being promoted by the police...a bit self serving. Isn't Peel region looking at doing away with these officers as well? Hardly a "small activist board". Maybe the funding for these officers should be applied to other areas within the schools?
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Where are the benefits you speak of? It seems the benefits are being promoted by the police...a bit self serving. Isn't Peel region looking at doing away with these officers as well? Hardly a "small activist board". Maybe the funding for these officers should be applied to other areas within the schools?
Peel isn't stopping the program as they, the board, parents and police service deemed it's benefits outweighed the small group who wanted it stopped.

And as I mentioned, the survey in Toronto had in excess of 80% support from students and parents but once again the activists were appeased. And I may have mis-spoke when I said TDSB was an activist board, although clearly left leaning I actually think the board caved to the activist but there is much speculation as to whether the board wanted to stop the program, caved to pressure or whatever.

The vast majority of the kids in Toronto polled said they felt safer with police officers in the school. Other benefits are that this model helps to build positive relations between at risk communities and the police. Other than the anti-police sentiment there wasn't a single example of this program being negative.

There has never been an example of community policing when done property has a negative impact on community safety, the group that complains which was made up of folks who's only view of a solution would likely be to completely eliminate police from the face of the earth (perhaps an exaggeration but they have never offered a solution just complaint).
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I'd say good luck with that dont call us next time a shooting happens and you need help.
You sir, win the internet today. Congratulations.

When will people realize that Gun Free Zones = Criminal Safe Zones...hell, lets just rename them that. Criminal Safe Zones.

This is just as stupid as saying that teachers can't use books or computers in class to teach. Who even thinks up this stupid crap. It's officially over for us as a country if this becomes the norm.
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I don't know...maybe undiagnosed/untreated mental illness combined with easy access to firearms?

What do you think the problem is?
I think the problem is a complete lack of discipline in raising kids. The helicopter parenting, participation trophy culture mollycoddling them until they become entitled brats who can't solve social problems and decide to go somewhere and shoot up the place or stab someone or worse.

The guns aren't the problem. Raising entitled brats who can't cope is.
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I think the problem is a complete lack of discipline in raising kids. The helicopter parenting, participation trophy culture mollycoddling them until they become entitled brats who can't solve social problems and decide to go somewhere and shoot up the place or stab someone or worse.

The guns aren't the problem. Raising entitled brats who can't cope is.
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I think you are on the right track. There certainly is a discipline problem with some kids these days.

I had a situation with my son the other day who is in grade 2. He goes to an after school program where there are kids from grade 1-5. Some of the kids were playing some sort of board game or something, my son won the game and one of the older boys in grade 5 didn't know how to handle the loss and ended up hitting my son on the head.

Needless to say when I picked him up I was not impressed. I confronted the father of the other boy and could instantly tell the kind of parent I was dealing with...one of those 'everyones a winner types'. Long story short, a report was filed with the school board on the other kid and I instructed my boy to smack the next kid in the mouth why tries to hurt him.

So now that the older boy has been reported actions will be taken to adjust his behaviour. What happens to the kids who have similar issues but are never uncovered, get older and then have easy access to weapons? Maybe there needs to be some sort of mental screening in schools?
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I think you are on the right track. There certainly is a discipline problem with some kids these days.

I had a situation with my son the other day who is in grade 2. He goes to an after school program where there are kids from grade 1-5. Some of the kids were playing some sort of board game or something, my son won the game and one of the older boys in grade 5 didn't know how to handle the loss and ended up hitting my son on the head.

Needless to say when I picked him up I was not impressed. I confronted the father of the other boy and could instantly tell the kind of parent I was dealing with...one of those 'everyones a winner types'. Long story short, a report was filed with the school board on the other kid and I instructed my boy to smack the next kid in the mouth why tries to hurt him.

So now that the older boy has been reported actions will be taken to adjust his behaviour. What happens to the kids who have similar issues but are never uncovered, get older and then have easy access to weapons? Maybe there needs to be some sort of mental screening in schools?
Perhaps but how?

I know you and I aren't on the same page as far as corporeal punishment goes but the kid you described needed it, badly.

I had a similar experience when my daughter was in 2nd grade. I instructed my daughter to punch him in the nose. The next time he tried to pick on her, she popped him and bloodied his nose. The school administrators called me in to, "have a chat about my daughter's unacceptable behavior". I told them that he is a know bully and that IDGAF who the parents were but my child would not be prey. I then jumped all over them about mollycoddling this little darling. They said that wasn't my business and I told them it was because they weren't fulfilling the principle of, "in loco parentis" and if they weren't going to take care of my daughter, I would teach her to take care of herself.

The kid stopped preying on my daughter but continued his bullying activities until the parents were requested to move him to another school at the end of the year. Utter failure on their part.
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Perhaps but how?

I know you and I aren't on the same page as far as corporeal punishment goes but the kid you described needed it, badly.

I had a similar experience when my daughter was in 2nd grade. I instructed my daughter to punch him in the nose. The next time he tried to pick on her, she popped him and bloodied his nose. The school administrators called me in to, "have a chat about my daughter's unacceptable behavior". I told them that he is a know bully and that IDGAF who the parents were but my child would not be prey. I then jumped all over them about mollycoddling this little darling. They said that wasn't my business and I told them it was because they weren't fulfilling the principle of, "in loco parentis" and if they weren't going to take care of my daughter, I would teach her to take care of herself.

The kid stopped preying on my daughter but continued his bullying activities until the parents were requested to move him to another school at the end of the year. Utter failure on their part.
I have taught my kids to defend themselves as most often there won't be anyone around to do it for them. I've also told them to run when it's the most appropriate thing to do. They have been bullied, once. After that they were left alone.
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