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Max faster in Quali and finishes higher in races 17 47.22%
Max slower in Quali and finishes higher races 1 2.78%
Checo faster in Quali and finishes higher in races 3 8.33%
Checo slower in Quali and finishes higher in races 6 16.67%
Max slower in Quali and slower in races 0 0%
Checo slower in Quali and slower in races 0 0%
Nothing between the two 4 11.11%
Max Destroys Checo 2 5.56%
Checo Destroys Max 3 8.33%
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      12-18-2020, 01:31 PM   #23
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Oh goody, this game again! Who is the youngest WDC?

I'm not sure we saw equal machinery either...........

I'm hopeful for an exciting 2021 season.
Game mate ?
The only crazy game that we saw was 6 years of total Merc dominance !
I'm not talking from BOttas . He belongs as a reserve driver in the F3 ..

What do you guys want to see ?
That the Merc's lap the rest of the field in every single race ?

Yeah that's how a race should look like
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"as long as" Perez will able to use "the same" machinery i dont think that he ll be destroyed.. and at the same i hope RB will try something different next year and not use the second driver as a test driver as well.. obviously it didnt work over these few years.. Perez get better during the race which is better you win races on Sundays..

i believe the ultimate question.. if Checo destroys Max.. what will happen?
cause the team is already surrounded around Max, his failure is not likely happen but its not impossible..
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"as long as" Perez will able to use "the same" machinery i dont think that he ll be destroyed.. and at the same i hope RB will try something different next year and not use the second driver as a test driver as well.. obviously it didnt work over these few years.. Perez get better during the race which is better you win races on Sundays..

i believe the ultimate question.. if Checo destroys Max.. what will happen?
cause the team is already surrounded around Max, his failure is not likely happen but its not impossible..
Negative mate ..
Albon tested some new stuff during the season in the FP's . That's for sure .
Probably that's why he crashed as well ..
But ....
MAX had to do it as well . He really hated to do it . Because the driver in question loses his feeling with the car vs the race set-up in QF and race .
Albon's issue was that he couldn't drive the RB16 with low wing/downforce .
Albon ran in the races with equal machinery , but with higher downforce as his personal requested set-up. That's why Albon was a lot slower than MAX.
Perez will get the same issue ! That's for sure ..
Of course driver skills and racecraft are always included in total package..
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. That's why Albon was a lot slower than MAX.
Perez will get the same issue ! T
This.
In AD quali it was as if Max's nerve reactions were connected directly to the cars ECU and reactions
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Negative mate ..
Albon tested some new stuff during the season in the FP's . That's for sure .
Probably that's why he crashed as well ..
But ....
MAX had to do it as well . He really hated to do it . Because the driver in question loses his feeling with the car vs the race set-up in QF and race .
Albon's issue was that he couldn't drive the RB16 with low wing/downforce .
Albon ran in the races with equal machinery , but with higher downforce as his personal requested set-up. That's why Albon was a lot slower than MAX.
Perez will get the same issue ! That's for sure ..
Of course driver skills and racecraft are always included in total package..
we ll see Checo part next year mate..

did you see some pictures that Red Bull made the rear end a bit more stable for last 1-2 races mate? looks like it worked both for Max and Albon.. cause even not comfy with the car Albon was better as well..

Newey is an aero genius but sometimes i started to feel that he is being stubborn for readjusting the needs of his cars lately.. Gosh wish Murray was in F1 again as well..
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we ll see Checo part next year mate..

did you see some pictures that Red Bull made the rear end a bit more stable for last 1-2 races mate? looks like it worked both for Max and Albon.. cause even not comfy with the car Albon was better as well..

Newey is an aero genius but sometimes i started to feel that he is being stubborn for readjusting the needs of his cars lately.. Gosh wish Murray was in F1 again as well..
Positive . But...
MAX had still to fight with the car during his P1 lap . But it was better than usual .
The RB16 was bullet fast !
Of course the HONDA ran with more torque and power . That's why MAX ran a higher top speed and pace .

MAX tested the new '21 rear wing with (one) central single support during the FP's .
He said that he lost the feeling of the balance completely. He was NOT happy at all !

Normally that will be (has to be) the new rear wing of the '21 RB16-B
Won't be easy for Perez . The Red Bull is NOT a Pink Mercedes !
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Looking forward to PER showing MAX how to drive. Not over a few laps of course. But over the whole race.

Perhaps Merc will now actually have some competition in the points.
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Game mate ?
The only crazy game that we saw was 6 years of total Merc dominance !
I'm not talking from BOttas . He belongs as a reserve driver in the F3 ..

What do you guys want to see ?
That the Merc's lap the rest of the field in every single race ?

Yeah that's how a race should look like
Then all of the other teams should up their game. This is their fault. When are you guys going to start giving crap to Red Bull, their management, VER (because he helps to develop the car) and Newey?

This is the question you should all be asking, not giving Mercedes and HAM a hard time.
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Windsor has said.

'Probably not as fast as Verstappen'
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Like I said, cue the VER fanboys.
I hope PER demolishes the smug punk.

Shut these 2 up once and for all.
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Then all of the other teams should up their game. This is their fault. When are you guys going to start giving crap to Red Bull, their management, VER (because he helps to develop the car) and Newey?

This is the question you should all be asking, not giving Mercedes and HAM a hard time.
That's for sure my friend . The other teams have to break through the F1 monotony .
And Red Bull and HONDA worked hard on it , that's what we saw last weekend and with success .
MAX ran the Mercs out of sight . Effortless and unseen in the last F1 seasons !

Not giving Mercedes and HAM a hard time ?
Red Bull really should give HAM and Mercedes a hard time , "on the track" . By this we could finally watch the tension in the top-3 again ..
I knew Red Bull would come already from in Bahrein with more power . But finally it was for Abu Dhabi .
In Bahrein the RB16 sounded already completely different...
Better late than never . But I didn't expected to see a Merc humiliation on a Merc power track like Abu Dhabi with the long straight .

MAX said after the race , there was even more in the car and I drove the car really relaxed . He managed his tyres and lifted the pedal in the last 7 laps , because the gap was already 12 sec. on BOT.
HAM the GOAT was nowhere , because the RB16 and MAX were really faster .
If you ask me ...I think Mercedes , Toto and HAM are really happy that this season is over just on time !
Because MAX would kill the Merc's all over again..."Whatever It Takes" !

My friend .Let us hope for equal machinery in 2021 !
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That's for sure my friend . The other teams have to break through the F1 monotony .
And Red Bull and HONDA worked hard on it , that's what we saw last weekend and with success .
MAX ran the Mercs out of sight . Effortless and unseen in the last F1 seasons !

Not giving Mercedes and HAM a hard time ?
Red Bull really should give HAM and Mercedes a hard time , "on the track" . By this we could finally watch the tension in the top-3 again ..
I knew Red Bull would come already from in Bahrein with more power . But finally it was for Abu Dhabi .
In Bahrein the RB16 sounded already completely different...
Better late than never . But I didn't expected to see a Merc humiliation on a Merc power track like Abu Dhabi with the long straight .

MAX said after the race , there was even more in the car and I drove the car really relaxed . He managed his tyres and lifted the pedal in the last 7 laps , because the gap was already 12 sec. on BOT.
HAM the GOAT was nowhere , because the RB16 and MAX were really faster .
If you ask me ...I think Mercedes , Toto and HAM are really happy that this season is over just on time !
Because MAX would kill the Merc's all over again..."Whatever It Takes" !

My friend .Let us hope for equal machinery in 2021 !
I hope they do better.

The Mercedes engine was turned down and they haven't developed the car since the summer.

Max had a good and measured drive. Let's see how it goes next year against PER. I have the feeling that PER won't be a pushover.

Cheers, my friend!!
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HAM the GOAT was nowhere , because the RB16 and MAX were really faster .
If you ask me ...I think Mercedes , Toto and HAM are really happy that this season is over just on time !
Because MAX would kill the Merc's all over again..."Whatever It Takes" !

My friend .Let us hope for equal machinery in 2021 !
LOL you do realize that Merc stopped developing the W11 in the summer.

It took RB months to catch up and only when Merc turned the power down in the last race to ensure they didn’t have a DNF due to engine failure.

My guess is they turned it down to ensure BOT finished ahead of Max in the standings.

I’m sure if Toto was “worried” as you say, they would have kept working on the W11 for the rest of the season. Instead they decided to develop the ‘21 car.
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I hope they do better.

The Mercedes engine was turned down and they haven't developed the car since the summer.

Max had a good and measured drive. Let's see how it goes next year against PER. I have the feeling that PER won't be a pushover.

Cheers, my friend!!
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LOL you do realize that Merc stopped developing the W11 in the summer.

It took RB months to catch up and only when Merc turned the power down in the last race to ensure they didn’t have a DNF due to engine failure.

My guess is they turned it down to ensure BOT finished ahead of Max in the standings.

I’m sure if Toto was “worried” as you say, they would have kept working on the W11 for the rest of the season. Instead they decided to develop the ‘21 car.
Also, let’s not forget that no way Lewis was 100% after recovering from Covid. I’m guessing he felt like hell after that race and needed longer to truly be 100%.
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I think Checo will push Max further than anyone else has since our man Daniel used to kick his arse!

I think someone amongst us I looking at one race in particular when the Merc’s were certainly detuned and both the drivers and manufacturers championship were done and dusted and drawing a very long bow.

Max can be a good driver but to say he is in the league of Schumacher, Senna and Lewis is ludicrous.

If I was a betting man, and I’m not, I think Dan in the Benz powered McLaren will well and truly our the proverbial cat amongst the pigeons. I am certainly looking forward to him being in a position to be at least on the podium each race.

Cannot wait for Melbourne, looks like I may well have a couple of tickets as well
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I think Checo will push Max further than anyone else!

I think someone amongst us I looking at one race in particular when the Merc’s were certainly detuned and both the drivers and manufacturers championship were done and dusted and drawing a very long bow.



If I was a betting man, and I’m not, I think Dan in the Benz powered McLaren will well and truly our the proverbial cat amongst the pigeons. I am certainly looking forward to him being in a position to be at least on the podium each race.

Cannot wait for Melbourne, looks like I may well have a couple of tickets as well
Merc will get their new car but now they'll be dealing with a team that doesn't have one hand tied behind their back.
Checo is quick no doubt but the men in the know are saying that he won't quite be a match for Max (read my post 33).
Good luck with the tickets for Melbourne but looking at last year when angry fans were turned away after queuing for hours because a member of McLaren got covid it's on very shaky ground.
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Like I said, cue the VER fanboys.
I hope PER demolishes the smug punk.

Shut these 2 up once and for all.
If you can't stand the heat then leave the kitchen.
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Max can be a good driver but to say he is in the league of Schumacher, Senna and Lewis is ludicrous.

If I was a betting man, and I’m not, I think Dan in the Benz powered McLaren will well and truly our the proverbial cat amongst the pigeons. I am certainly looking forward to him being in a position to be at least on the podium each race.
Ricciardo must be the most under rated driver on the F1 grid.
Super fast, rarely crashes and makes some outstanding overtakes.
It would be great to see McLaren back at the front.
Even better would be if Ferrari can sort out their car as well.
A 4 way race for the championships would be awesome.
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"as long as" Perez will able to use "the same" machinery i dont think that he ll be destroyed.
He likely won't though.
Whereas Mercedes give equal treatment to both their drivers in the vast majority of races...same car, pit stop and tyre strategy.
Red Bull don't...they prioritise their chosen number one driver with the best hardware and the optimum strategy.
How many times have we seen Albon get a really poor tyre/pit stop strategy that dumped him out in traffic on the wrong tyre.

Watch out for Perez getting the same treatment in 2021...if he does then you know he is screwed.

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I had to go with the first choice. Red Bull has never, ever, treated both sides of the garage equally. Checo is doomed to go the way of Webber, Ricciardo, et.al.
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Ricciardo must be the most under rated driver on the F1 grid.
Super fast, rarely crashes and makes some outstanding overtakes.
It would be great to see McLaren back at the front.
Even better would be if Ferrari can sort out their car as well.

A 4 way race for the championships would be awesome.
This.

McLaren is still one of my fav teams. I was so mad when Darth Ron dumped the Mercedes PU because of his stubborn behavior. They literally descended into the dark ages of F1.

When they have the Mercedes PU and, once again, become McLaren-Mercedes, the order of the universe will be restored.

I'd love to see final 2021 WDC order being:

HAM
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NOR
VET
BOT
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LEC
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SAI
VER

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