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      09-23-2021, 02:53 AM   #155
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While what you said has a lot of merit, the fact is Jordan has 6 rings out of 6 and James has 3 rings out of 9 finals. James has lost 6 finals! Jordan has lost zero finals.

A lot of people agree with you that James is the GOAT. Based on his personal career stats, its a toss up between between James and Jordan. For me, the difference in finals performance will always put Jordan first. James said in the six finals his teams lost, the better team won. Jordan never had to say that.

The trouble for James now is no matter how well he does, he cannot erase his horrible finals record. He knows that. That's why he is so frustrated he walks off the court before the game is over. I think history will show James as second best. Still great, just not the greatest.

Its hard to bring up the ring argument because of Bill Russel. You can put it this way, Lebron went to 9 finals and Jordan only went to 6. The problem with these stats and numbers is that you can cherry pick which stats fit the narrative.

I like to listen to actual NBA players make these comparisons and they will all say Jordan and Kobe are better than Lebron.
You could also look at it as -

Jordan - 6-0 in the finals.

Lebron - 4-6 in the finals.

They're all generational talent. No team would turn down adding prime Jordan, Kobe or Lebron.
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Jordan did say that the only NBA player that could take him one and one would be Kobe.

"Because the kid stole all my moves!" - MJ.

That's about a high of an accolade as one could ever receive. Lebron is a generational talent. His court vision, his size, speed and strength are definitely incredible. He's also a good GM lol. But somethings missing.

Jordan and Kobe have story after story after story of just sheer dominance and determination and grit. I love all the Kobe stories and Jordan stories that people share. My god, I wouldn't even know where to begin and there's so many good one.

One of my personal favorite Kobe stories is Iman Shumpert. The day he realized just how good Kobe was. He tells the story better than I ever could so I'm going to just go ahead and post the short clip.

Edit - also the DeMar Rosen story where Vince Carter told him "man, you can't wear his (Kobe's) shoes when you're guarding him!!" And how young DeMar fucked up by switching to Jordan's the next time he played Kobe and how Kobe took that, lol.




I remember all those stories! TBH, Kobe's death really hit me hard and still gets me to this day. It has a lot to do with being raised a Lakers fan and living in Socal for most of my life. Everyday I live by the Mamba Mentality. One of my favs was when Matt Barnes was trying to inbound the ball. I'm sure you all know what I'm talking about. That was fierce!

Curious, who do you think will be the next great? I'm really loving Jamal Murry, Donovan Mitchell, and Jayson Tatum right now.
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Jordan did say that the only NBA player that could take him one and one would be Kobe.

"Because the kid stole all my moves!" - MJ.

That's about a high of an accolade as one could ever receive. Lebron is a generational talent. His court vision, his size, speed and strength are definitely incredible. He's also a good GM lol. But somethings missing.

Jordan and Kobe have story after story after story of just sheer dominance and determination and grit. I love all the Kobe stories and Jordan stories that people share. My god, I wouldn't even know where to begin and there's so many good one.

One of my personal favorite Kobe stories is Iman Shumpert. The day he realized just how good Kobe was. He tells the story better than I ever could so I'm going to just go ahead and post the short clip.

Edit - also the DeMar Rosen story where Vince Carter told him "man, you can't wear his (Kobe's) shoes when you're guarding him!!" And how young DeMar fucked up by switching to Jordan's the next time he played Kobe and how Kobe took that, lol.




I remember all those stories! TBH, Kobe's death really hit me hard and still gets me to this day. It has a lot to do with being raised a Lakers fan and living in Socal for most of my life. Everyday I live by the Mamba Mentality. One of my favs was when Matt Barnes was trying to inbound the ball. I'm sure you all know what I'm talking about. That was fierce!

Curious, who do you think will be the next great? I'm really loving Jamal Murry, Donovan Mitchell, and Jayson Tatum right now.
I'm currently in LA and have been lucky to enjoy many Laker games at Staples and getting to watch Kobe and Lebron up close and personal.

I think you nailed three that have stupendous talent and the skies the limit. I wonder what the Jazz could've done had Murray not gone down with a season ending injury. Jokic is amazing as well but needs his running mate.

Booker has been wild to watch for being that young as well. Like the NFL and the influx of incredible young players ready to take over the league, the NBA has been equally blessed. Me personally? These are my current favorite players to watch, and in no particular order. The ones where they could be the next Kobe / Lebron / KD / Curry. (I'm only listing the youngins with only a few years in the league)

- Luka
- Donovan Mitchell
- Ja Morant (so wish my Knicks would've snagged him, he's an incredible athlete imo)
- Mitchell
- Booker
- Trae Young (he's embraced the villain role and delivers in spades)
- Anthony Edwards
- Tatum

Ones that are great but I'm not 100% sold on yet. Meaning, I don't know they can take over a game like the guys above or more important the superstars we have already discussed.

Zion
RJ Barrett
Jokic (he could be on the list above possibly)
LaMelo (I'm just not a huge fan of the Ball family, starting with Senior having seen him up close and obviously because of Lonzo)

My opinion of course but enjoy watching them play immensely.

PS - absolutely remember Matt Barnes and Kobe not even batting an eyelash lol. 100% not how that played out in Barnes head before he attempted that lol.
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