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Every engineering design out there has cost vs. durability trade-offs. Based on my experience, BMW's newer aluminum block engines with turbochargers spinning at 100,000+ rpm are much more problematic (with high operating temperatures, leaking seals, blown gaskets, warped cylinder heads, etc.) than BMW's older iron block, naturally aspirated engines.
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I've had 7 Japs in family since 1994, many close and past 200k miles. To this day I remember ALL maintenance on all 7 cars because the list is so small. The list is about as big as my M3 with 40k miles....*sarcastic* alittle I actually swapped my 335i for S2000.....no comparison here, with S2000 being miles ahead in everything but luxury feel. If anything, I can compare it to M3, but more solid build. Read Porsche forums, alot of guys have both for a reason a Cayman S and S2k. I don't even track cars, but to each his own....S2000 felt to me like the Car with a big C. Last edited by Kolyan2k; 08-05-2016 at 11:36 AM.. |
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I am not a fan boy, I don't think I am.... As far as engineering goes. I would like to know where is the engineering behind HPFP failing since 2007? Where is the engineering behind plastic water pump that fail around 40-50k miles? Where is the engineering behind rod bearings in M cars, they been failing since 2001? Porsche IMS? Porsche and BMW seals that start to leak right after warranty? I am sorry but thats not engineering, thats bullshit. Edit: also a note here.....when I buy a Japanese car I know what to expect and I know what can fail, with Germans I never do and I never know when. It's all reflected on resale price too. Last edited by Kolyan2k; 08-05-2016 at 10:26 AM.. |
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These posts always pop up and the comments never cease to amaze me, Being an "ENTHUSIAST" that has tinkered with many cars and engines at a high level the fanboys blow my mind..
Yes we are all here because we love and drive BMW's, are they less reliable than many of the Japanese cars? Absolutely this is not up for discussion its a FACT. Does it make me like my BMW less? No, My car drives great I just know i have to take care of everything it needs when it needs it or there will be hell to pay there is little wiggle room on the maintenance. VW crowd is the same, Excuse after excuse, The repeat that all cars have issues and this is normal ( I have a VW as well which I love )... Just call a spade a spade, Im not a blind fanboy to any brand. I have a 20 year old Turbo SE-R that I rev to 8K rpm daily and boost it to 15lbs and its never tripped a damn check engine light or broke anything shy of an axel and a clutch.. This car is making around 300WHP and is drag and road raced daily so enough with the excuses. All cars have their issues but the German ones have more, But they also tend to offer a more rewarding experience and offer a solid feel so I deal with the tradeoff. The Honda dogging here is ridiculous though, Yes there is many ricers with fart-cans making racket but their engines are some of the best in the world.. In the race scene they have 1.8-2.4 liter motors making 1000+ HP and they push the limit more than any other brand.. Look at the cars the GTR has been whooping on. If you are a "True Car Guy" meaning you work on cars you race cars you enjoy cars... Not just bring your car to someone and throw money at them you simply cannot deny the engineering and greatness that is Honda and Japanese Engines.. BMW's are great but they are by no means " Cutting Edge " or much more advanced than any many other brands atleast when it comes to engine tech.. Handling, fit/finish and styling is a diff story and why I am attracted to them. I wouldn't call my BMW a piece of crap though by any-means just not willing to make excuses for things that should be better in a brand that prides itself on " German Enineering ".
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Yeah. When I got my 848, I was wondering if there was something wrong with the starter system. The thing cranked over so slowly I didn't think it would fire up. Replacing the Yuasa lead acid battery to a lighter more CCA Li based battery pretty much solved it. But my 04 ZX-10R still cranks over strongly since the day I bought with the run of the mill lead acid battery I have in it.
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Disagree with me all you want chaps. My writing is based on first hand experience of being round s2000's in the UK for the best part of 10years.
Never said transmissions fail - I said CV cups wear after 80k miles to the point where they need swapping out. Do some reading on the UK side of the s2k forum. Shed loads of MY2009 s2000's used to lunch their engines within the first 10k - 20k miles... All down to crank float - no boosting or oil starvation. And as for zero engines dying through general use, I can send you the Facebook posts of me and my mates swapping put engines because their previous engines have let go during normal driving. Don't presume to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. I've spent hundreds of hours messing around with s2000's. Coming back to what I ended my last post with, pretty much every car maker has issues that need remediation at some point. An awful lot of automotive engineering is theory and compromise. Both Honda and BMW have pretty impressive heritage of building great cars, but they all have their foibles. What I won't do is sit there and let someone sit there and say x car is miles better than y car, when I know different from experience. |
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Fast forward two years, I moved to Florida and made friends with a guy with a 999. Same story, bike would occasionally not start. One time we were at the track, and his bike wouldn't start for the entire day on Saturday. Sunday morning arrives, bike starts up on the first try. |
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If you are trying to imply that BMW engineers have purposefully included poor components in their vehicles, neglected to care about quality, or are otherwise incompetent, I'd have to disagree with your sentiments. Perhaps your own poor experiences with your BMW purchases have contributed to your confirmation bias. I can tell you that I have had more issues with my Type R, my Civic, my Accord, my TL, and my Prelude than I have ever had with the BMW cars I've owned. My problems have ranged from transmission issues and flakey electronics, all the way to excessive oil consumption. If you think Honda's are immune to rod bearing failures you should check out Honda-tech once in a while to listen to all the people that moan and groan over there. Do the poor experiences I've had make Honda a failure? Absolutely not; do they make Japanese engineering bullshit? Absolutely not. Honda is a fantastic company that makes (or at least used to make) wonderful and inspiring products. What I can say, as someone who has engineered and installed industrial electronics, software and heavy machinery around the world, is that there are a lot of positive things that can be said about German engineering as well. You don't have to look too far to see proof of this. What flag is associated with the most wins at Le Mans? Who's on top of the Formula 1 world? Which other martial handlers can actually compete with Liebherr's LH series? Who's more advanced in fluid power motion control than Bosch Rexroth? The list goes on, and it's not accidental. German engineering is far from perfect, but to call it bullshit is certainly a bit of a stretch. Last edited by NeoGeo; 08-05-2016 at 08:48 PM.. |
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Obviously BMW is boosting its revenue by advertising "maintenance free" cars with lifetime fluid etc. Its a fact. And obviously they try to save money on parts here and there. Just like issuing a recall is a big deal for car manufacturers, its about the money, not cars or owners. And free maintenance is about the money, not car reliability. |
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You forgot it's slow, it's a convertible, only 2 seats, tiny trunk, and cramped interior. Other than that it's miles ahead. Also, I don't think many people are cross shopping these cars. I'm not saying the s2000 isn't a great car but you have to make a lot of compromises. Probably why sales numbers were never that great. |
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No such thing as a reliable car all machine break sooner or later and the amount of stress and lack of Maintaince can speed that up. Bmw are driven hard and the company does everything in it power to postpone Maintaince so it obviously going to break.
There an old saying at Ford We don't lease v8 mustang because it will come back with 30,000 miles gain at a rate of a quarter of a mile. |
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I do have to say the Duc is unique. If you're an attention whore, it gets that in spades. The sound of the V-Twin even for a middle weight bike is pretty intoxicating with the Akra slip ons. But if I had to do it all over again, I would have an S1000RR along side my ZX-10R. I've had the pleasure of putting an S1000RR through its paces on the track and it's one awesome machine. This despite having dunked a decent amount of money on suspension work on the 848. |
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Car was slow, hated the convertible, but it worked ok to haul stuff? Sounds like a great choice.
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Add: super reliable, very comfortable seats, solid built, amazing handling even in day to day normal driving (one of the best on track), addictive race engine, best transmission in any car to date, rare, goes up in value with years Last edited by Kolyan2k; 08-06-2016 at 04:42 PM.. |
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