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Glad that you brought up the electronic chip analogy; how many components are in one chip? Thank you! Last edited by Teutonic; 09-08-2017 at 07:49 PM.. |
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Yeah, except out there in the wild, nobody can bring you a jug of power. Just as a note, I hate even charging my phone everyday, so I have a phone that requires charging once a week. More freedom to me. Yes, I hate plugging something every day. What am I? The slave of the car? I fill it in 5 minutes and I am ready for my 1000 km free of worries.
Depending on something to be ready for you is absolutely awful. Being unable to go in the wild, leave the vehicle there for 2 weeks and ready to start when you are back from the woods is terrible. Anyway, do not worry, once all of you will jump electric, you will be charged accordingly. It is just the beginning. Nothing is free. |
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I'm not sure where you are from, but here in LA, its not a small minority at all. Chargers are everywhere, I see dozen and dozens of EVs on my commute every day. At least here in CA, where there is a state agenda to embrace EVs, it's only getting more and more common. Eventually, once the major cities pave the way for a good plan for infrastructure, others will follow. Maybe not out in the sticks, but highly populated areas. Which is fine. These are city cars. Maybe one day we can get 300 miles out of a 5 minute charge and the ICE will all but disappear. It's not a "fantasy", the flying car is a "fantasy". Once upon a time autonomous driving was a "fantasy" and now it's a reality. That's the spirit of human ingenuity.
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Do you like spices in a well cooked meal, or do you prefer a bar for dinner? Both will address your hunger. Do you appreciate the journey or the destination? Should I continue? |
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As far as the expenses, anyone with an inclination of economics knows that if there is a market, there is a way to get it to the most people to make the most profit. Energy companies will innovate to keep the balance between demand, price, and scarcity, just like it did for gas and oil. There was a time when oil was rare and expensive. Then we started getting creative.
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What do you drive anyway? I bet I could criticize your vehicle a dozen times over based on MY wants and needs and not yours. And I would be totally wrong in doing so, just as you are now.
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About the destination, etc, I've owned a number of cars significantly faster than my NB Miata and my M Coupe, but for a track day, a drive on Glendora Mountain Road or Mulholland, those two cars remain the most involving and enjoyable, with an honorable mention to my dad's old FD RX7. |
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The ICE is scaringly unefficient! The petrol ICE is around 30% effective, diesel is in the 40% area. Meanwhile Bosch is saying they will get the electric engine up to about 92%. These days, as you mention - as unexploited the EV is, we're looking at about 90% efficiency. |
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Reading through this thread reminded me of when I plugged in the costs to charge my vehicle vs the gas costs. I was surprised to discover that I wasn’t going to save as much money as I thought. The disparity can become larger if gas prices are like $5 a gallon and I am able to charge for free. But someone somewhere is paying. I will have to do the calculator on Tesla’s site again and will post a screenshot.
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To be clear it is somewhat less expensive to charge your car than pay for gas. And the pricing differentials change if electricity or gas prices change accordingly, just common sense. However, this is what the Tesla energy cost calculator says:
I adjusted electricity lower to 11 (default is $0.12) cents per kw. I looked up my rates for Virginia. They also estimate the fuel costs at 21 mpg. I was cross shopping a Toyota Avalon and the Tesla so had to modify the math to 40mpg. I drive 80 miles round trip four times a week....I was being generous in saying I drive 52 weeks a year to work although I don’t. After I did the math, I would only save $343 in annual energy costs at $2.30 per gallon which is higher than current gas prices. The Avalon cost $38k loaded. The Tesla cost well over $70k for the base model at the time. It doesn’t take a brain surgeon to figure out that you won’t own the car long enough (93 years) to reach a break even point to make it financially worthwhile to drive a Tesla. That doesn’t include increased property taxes due to the higher cost of the Tesla. Now if you just want one, that’s a different story. |
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By the way, the current entry price for the Model S is $88k.
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You know, from a moderator I was expecting a different kind of approach... like objectivism? So instead of having a proper discussion, we resume everything to low level jokes and arrogance.
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You're also discounting oil changes, maintenance and other operating costs that again heavily favor the Tesla in this comparison. |
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Jaguar E type- "E" is for electric. This might be the only EV I'd consider.
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