F1 2021: Saudi Arabian GP - Jeddah (Dec 5)

[kring]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

HAM got a "painless" 5 sec. penalty to push MAX with 51 G in the wall at Silverstone ..
MAX could have been killed in that crash ...

That wasn’t Hamilton pushing him, max was as much at fault and it was more of an incident. That crash was nothing like the brake-check max did today or the other run-offs Max did over the last 6 races.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

Lol for sure... Or the reality of it is max is under so much pressure he's starting to be desperate and is doing a bunch of stupid things to try and win. Weaving to defend, brake checking, and cutting curbs like the rules doesn't apply to him.

Just give MAX equal Mercedes machinery and the cheating Rocket Pace ..
No need then to push his car beyond the limits and just drive relaxed to the next victory just like HAM .

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by kring

That wasn’t Hamilton pushing him, max was as much at fault and it was more of an incident. That crash was nothing like the brake-check max did today or the other run-offs Max did over the last 6 races.

The Silverstone crash was ...

#HAM'sDirtyTricks

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Just give MAX equal Mercedes machinery and the cheating Rocket Pace ..
No need then to push his car beyond the limits and just drive relaxed to the next victory just like HAM .

Sure! I want him to join Mercedes, when ham retires hopefully he does so.


But even if this season was in equal machinery Max likely would end up in the same spot he is in now, because he doesn't have the race IQ and maturity to back out and live to fight another day. He always has to win win win, and thus wins the battle but potentially loses the war that is the WDC. If max was more mature and backed out when he had a massive lead in Silverstone this would be over. But could've would've should've doesn't change anything

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

The Silverstone crash was ...

#HAM'sDirtyTricks

More like max's dirty driving catching up to him. Can't expect to always be able to push/squeeze everyone off the track.

Now's he's adding brake checking and swerving back to the dirty tool box.

[kring]

Originally Posted by F87source

More like max's dirty driving catching up to him. Can expect to always be able to push/squeeze everyone off the track.

Now's he's adding brake checking and swerving back to the dirty tool box.

Max’s mentality is if I can’t win, well you can’t either… he’s willing to take anyone out at any time, he has no mental control or restraint, lacks professionalism, and he is a danger out there. All the other incidents I’ve see from the other 19 drivers this year are accidental or mistakes or wasn’t paying attention… where ever one of max many many incidents are all strait up deliberate.

[Crimson92]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

The Silverstone crash was ...

#HAM'sDirtyTricks

So what do you call max brake checking and possibly causing a wreck?

Perfectly ok ?

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

More like max's dirty driving catching up to him. Can expect to always be able to push/squeeze everyone off the track.

Now's he's adding brake checking and swerving back to the dirty tool box.

*****

[iamwingman]

So are they tied now?

[kring]

Originally Posted by iamwingman

So are they tied now?

Yes, tied into the race, but max has the tie-breaker.

[iamwingman]

Originally Posted by iamwingman

So are they tied now?

I see that they are. Crazy. Next weekend will be intense. Go Max.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

*****

You're cherry picking some of the few poorly executed overtakes from Lewis's long career to try and gaslight and reduce the severity of the horrendous overtakes max has done over the season putting everyone at risk.

i.e. blasting off the track limits to squeeze by forcing other drivers to take evasive action. squeezing people off the road to pass, and now swerving and brake checking to "defend". You said closing the door is fine as an excuse for swerving, well first off swerving and closing the door is different, one is taking up a side of the track one is dangerously trying to plug the entire track up. Well how do you excuse brake checking.


Max is slowly becoming an insanely dirty driver...

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

*****

It's funny when Lewis does something bad you guys absolutely burry him, when max does the same thing and multiple other bad things you guys don't say anything.

[Crimson92]

Originally Posted by F87source

It's funny when Lewis does something bad you guys absolutely burry him, when max does the same thing and multiple other bad things you guys don't say anything.

But but but 51g. Dirty rocket ham. Grenade!!!!!!!

[Humdizzle]

next week will be very interesting. These two are going to go all out in qualifying.

historically the last time they were at Yas Marina max won qualifying and led every lap of the race.

i just hope to see a good race. would terrible to see someone win off an opponents gearbox failure / tire puncture / etc. I dont think max will try to punt lewis off... that is just too big of a gamble.

[NickyC]

What a complete amateurish shit show. FIA and F1 should be embarrassed about that gotdamned track, they had a blank canvass to build something spectacular and they came up with this dumbass circuit. I knew from the first lap of the F1 2021 game I played it was a garbage circuit, holy hell I was right about something for a change.

There's simply no way anyone can spin this other than Max making a complete fool out of himself here. Sitting at home on my couch even I felt terrified for Lewis, Max completely lost his mind. There's a huge difference between hard competitive racing and what he did out there today, that track is too damned dangerous in the first place to be pulling this crap good grief. Max made a world class pass on Ocon and Ham on the second restart, but other than he needs to grow the hell up. I'm SO thankful this didn't end in a massive shunt somewhere at one of the fastest parts of the track, I was preparing for it and thank God it didn't happen.

Lewis again showing why he's a 7 times WDC, total professionalism and class. Max has to learn to be better in certain spots because he doesn't deserve the WDC with stunts like this. He brake tested the shit out of Hamilton there, and it was clear as day he turned left right at the last minute to make Hamilton hit him. I'm not even going to go into all the other BS he pulled at some of the other corners.

Hoping for a final, spectacular clean race of the season as we've all been waiting what....a decade for photo finish like this? Good luck to all.

[FormulaMMM]

Interesting explanation from the stewards. They're making it sound like a spike in brake pressure, I'm not seeing that. Looks like a consistent decel from 300+ kph right to the moment of impact.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

Interesting explanation from the stewards. They're making it sound like a spike in brake pressure, I'm not seeing that. Looks like a consistent decel from 300+ kph right to the moment of impact.

The brake meter on screen isn't that accurate compared to the real time data analytics coming from the car that the stewards can see.

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by F87source

The brake meter on screen isn't that accurate compared to the real time data analytics coming from the car that the stewards can see.

Agreed. I'm looking at the kph, but admittedly that also could be inaccurate

[F87source]

Originally Posted by NickyC

What a complete amateurish shit show. FIA and F1 should be embarrassed about that gotdamned track, they had a blank canvass to build something spectacular and they came up with this dumbass circuit. I knew from the first lap of the F1 2021 game I played it was a garbage circuit, holy hell I was right about something for a change.

There's simply no way anyone can spin this other than Max making a complete fool out of himself here. Sitting at home on my couch even I felt terrified for Lewis, Max completely lost his mind. There's a huge difference between hard competitive racing and what he did out there today, that track is too damned dangerous in the first place to be pulling this crap good grief. Max made a world class pass on Ocon and Ham on the second restart, but other than he needs to grow the hell up. I'm SO thankful this didn't end in a massive shunt somewhere at one of the fastest parts of the track, I was preparing for it and thank God it didn't happen.

Lewis again showing why he's a 7 times WDC, total professionalism and class. Max has to learn to be better in certain spots because he doesn't deserve the WDC with stunts like this. He brake tested the shit out of Hamilton there, and it was clear as day he turned left right at the last minute to make Hamilton hit him. I'm not even going to go into all the other BS he pulled at some of the other corners.

Hoping for a final, spectacular clean race of the season as we've all been waiting what....a decade for photo finish like this? Good luck to all.

It's most likely the pressure being put on max (you know the pressure the 2 max fans said he doesn't feel at all), he knows its his championship to lose, and he is starting to crack. As a result he is desperate and now he is doing dangerous things...

[F87source]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

Agreed. I'm looking at the kph, but admittedly that also could be inaccurate

It would be easier to see a trace on a graph, the speeds change so fast its hard to tell on a digital counter especially when they're doing triple digit speeds.

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by F87source

It would be easier to see a trace on a graph, the speeds change so fast its hard to tell on a digital counter especially when they're doing triple digit speeds.

Hopefully more detailed telemetry info will come out, but it's possible the "sudden" and "significant" braking event is just their description of the decel from 300+ kph. That looks like 2.4 g to me, whereas a true spike in F1 brake pressure seems like it would generate more.

Just allowing for the possibility VER didn't mash the brakes right prior to impact.

No doubt he was playing games, making the overtake as disadvantageous as possible.