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With every 340 now being an "M", I don't follow what is so special about it. Then the adaptive suspension, extra engine cooling, high performance tires are still an option. If I owned it I would call it what I think it is, a 340.
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As the current owner of 4 "true" M cars I must LOL at the " snobbery" shown in this post! Hahahaha. More options are rarely bad. If you don't like a particular car, don't buy it but I doubt the addition of the M340 effected the value of my 1M at all. Likely just the opposite. It seems like many of these "M Options" simply introduce new drivers to the quality and thrills we all enjoy.
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thats a big number.
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BMW didn't invent the game. Mercedes and Audi also the play it well (and so do others - not so well), and in fact they beat BMW to the punch on this little trick. Of all the things to be hung up on and righteous about, I just don't see why this matters in the grand scheme. It's not like it's changing the total since, as you point out, the M235i exists either way. It registers as a sale for BMW regardless of how you count it. |
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My issue is not where the sale is recorded but on brand dilution. I never understand the argument that the others also did it so it is ok. I have never owned an AMG, at this point I don't think I even care about the "AMG" as it is likely just as worthless as the "M".
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Extremely unlikely. However, considering the question I posed, aesthetics aren't on topic, so such a comment wouldn't make sense in context. Therefore, it's probably good that you opted not to respond in that way, since deliberately derailing threads isn't very nice. |
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What I am bothered by is the fact that is now marketed by BMW M and even posted on their fb and insta page... this does a great diservice to the brand and its loyal owners when we both know that car has nothing to do with M... its a fwd biased crossover based car lol...
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Even the M Sport models are marketed by M, although sales of that trim level don't count toward the M total for what that's worth (and for those closely keeping score). Quote:
It seems to me that a significant number of folks hoping for BMW, and in particular, BMW M sales to tank in 2021 are in for disappointment. There is a huge contingent of buyers looking for tangible features such as a high performance German sedan with a manual transmission, and BMW has the only one now. AWD high performance vehicles are also in high demand, and BMW is building the portfolio there too. |
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Hey BMW! An "M car" is sold by "BMW M", and has a vin that starts with "WBS", the end! You can't count cars like the M340i, those cars were manufactured by "BMW" not "BMW M" and are therefore not "BMW M cars".
Frustration aside, of course it's easy to inflate your sales figures when you just slap a badge on nearly every single car you have, nothing has been achieved here... God knows what's happening at BMW these days, with all those fwd "m CaRs" and the cringey ads with a Lamborghini/Audi V10 dubbing the M2 CS' noise, I hope leadership changes will make the brand go back in the right direction of making cars that are fantastic to drive like they used to.
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I've owned M2/3/4 M235i/X3M40D/M135i/X5M50D So a fair bit of both. I've zero problem with the M lites existing clearly as I own them and my current car is the M135i. However to claim amazing sales figures by moving the goal posts to include the top tier normal series production cars. Hmm, it's fine but that's all we're saying, not knocking the cars or being a snob the statistic massaging though.... Personally I do not and will not consider any of my M lites I've listed as an M car.
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Great way to grow your sales move the 340i and 440i into the M division so you can say look how many we sold!
Just about every model line that used to have a range topping non M car has had it replaced by putting an M on the front of the variant name M50/M40 etc....it's not snobby to say so either they are all great cars, but when you move the sales of an entire model variant into another segment it's a bit rich to suddenly crow about the sales as it's wooden dollars.
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BMW isn't Ferrari. They are a volume automaker and regardless of what you think of say an M235i or M340i those vehicles carry a premium over the regular variants and that premium means more money for BMW when more people buy these cars. At a time where Porsche sells more SUV's than cars surely most of you can understand that even if you don't like it, this is sound decision making as catering solely to purists and enthusiasts is not a way to make profits. |
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As for weight goes...what would you have them do? They are handed cars from BMW that already have a Lot of weight. Light weight is better. Don't buy a sport sedan with a back seat then. But you can't compare an E car with an F or G, it's a different world with different expectations. As for AWD being inevitable, these cars are going electric soon. I'd just get used to it. I drove the F90 on track and loved it. I don't think I'm a poser, but who knows. https://machineswithsouls.com/2020/0...-bmw-m-school/
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Just bunch of marketing and PR bs, at the end of the day bean counters speak in the meeting, bean counters decide what gets to manufacture, beat counters win during year end "bean counting" event, it becomes a sad reality. No M true enthusiasts "wanting" an Xdrive on their M3/M4. They did it on the M5, fine. Now they put words in our mouth too? Cmon
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G83 = "And the BMW M4 Convertible will also be launched in time for the warm season."
I don't care about a eBay badge on the rear end of a M performance.
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