Felipe Massa considering lawsuit for 2008 F1 title

[dangerus_car]

https://www.planetf1.com/news/mclare...ewis-hamilton/

[Marcoose]

If Massa prevails, then it opens the door for Hamilton and others to claim wrongdoings. What’s fair is fair, but this would open Pandora’s box. I don’t know if I like it.

[clutchdj]

Might as well end their racing careers with the idea of bringing suits to the table. Social media stirring up cup o’ shit again. Sucks enough v12s & v10’s are gone from the grid.

[NickyC]

Oh c'mon.

Also I thought the joke was "Denial ain't just a river in Egypt".

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

If Massa prevails, then it opens the door for Hamilton and others to claim wrongdoings. What’s fair is fair, but this would open Pandora’s box. I don’t know if I like it.

Nov 1990: Senna denied to Sir Jackie Stewart that he had intentionally crashed into Prost during the Suzuka 1990 race. He had gone for a gap left by Prost. Senna told Stewart after wrapping up the interview that he would never talk to him again.

1992/1993: Senna called Stewart to admit/confess that he had crashed intentionally. Senna also befriended Prost, his longtime nemesis at the end of the season, got emotional during the last F1 race of Prost.

1994: Senna repeatedly called Prost to tell him how hard he missed him and how bored he was without racing him (Prost quit F1 at the end of 1993), confided his personal worries about F1 safety and told him many times how much he had respected him as a rival, more than any other driver he had ever competed with. Prost and Stewart were both pallbearers during Senna's funeral in Spring 1994.

If FISA/FIA would have known that piece of info about the Suzuka 1990 race, Senna would have been questioned by them and likely disqualified for the whole 1990 season, losing the 1990 world title to Prost (compare with Schumacher getting disqualified for the whole 1997 season after ramming into Villeneuve during the title-deciding Jerez/Spain race).

Denial (1990):

Admitted (according to Stewart):

"Jackie Stewart: Ayrton Senna said he’d never speak to me again after I accused him of crashing into Alain Prost to win the title"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ain-Prost.html
"A year had passed since our [Nov 1990] interview, and I was in Australia for the grand prix when Senna called me. He was a deeply religious man and he said: “Look. I am phoning to apologise because I do now admit that I did take Prost off the road intentionally and God won’t allow me to live this lie. I am going to announce it to the media tonight, but I want you to be the first to know”.
We had a really good conversation on the phone and then he asked if there was any chance I could go over to his hotel and talk about how we could go forward because he wanted to improve safety in Formula One - he knew I had more experience on that issue than anyone else in the sport - so, I did. I went over to his room, and we spent more than two hours together.
I was taken aback, but I thought, “Wow, this is great” because he has finally owned up. The fact that he wanted to admit it, and get it out of his system and then take on safety with a new vigour which he had not done before, was a very positive thing. We were on the phone almost every week, twice-a-week in fact, after that conversation in Adelaide until he died at the 1994 San Marino Grand Prix."

Villeneuve (WDC) versus Schumacher (DSQ) - 1997 Jerez incident:

[TheGeekGuy]

Get down off the cross and use the wood to build a bridge and get over it.

This kinda shit needs to stop. Massa, you lost. No lawsuit will change that. You'll just look sad.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Villeneuve (WDC) versus Schumacher (DSQ) - 1997 Jerez incident:

Love watching that vid of JV getting the '97 title and the shocking tactics of MS and EI in practice and race to hinder Jacques, even the Sauber Ferrari of Fontana played a part with his continued drive depending if he could block Jacques so that Schumacher would win and with his final desperate move he is beached yet he stands on the wall watching as if he has some sort of recourse for his own blatant action!

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Love watching that vid of JV getting the '97 title and the shocking tactics of MS and EI in practice and race to hinder Jacques, even the Sauber Ferrari of Fontana played a part with his continued drive depending if he could block Jacques so that Schumacher would win and with his final desperate move he is beached yet he stands on the wall watching as if he has some sort of recourse for his own blatant action!

Villeneuve knew perfectly how Schumacher had violently snatched the 1994 WDC title chance away from Damon Hill (controversial WDC title of that "7-time WDC"). Villeneuve was warned how machiavellistic Schumacher could react when WDC stakes were high. And he was wise to anticipate.

Hill's take on Schumacher (he remains quite polite about the unsportsmanlike way how Schumacher got the 1994 WDC title at his expense):

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Villeneuve knew perfectly how Schumacher had violently snatched the 1994 WDC title chance away from Damon Hill (controversial WDC title of that "7-time WDC"). Villeneuve was warned how machiavellistic Schumacher could react when WDC stakes were high. And he was wise to anticipate.

Hill's take on Schumacher (he remains quite polite about the unsportsmanlike way how Schumacher got the 1994 WDC title at his expense):

The killer instinct of Schumacher in that moment when he went off thumping and deranging the suspension planning in seconds what would be the outcome on an unsuspecting Hill at the turn but then Hill had failed to take in why Schumacher was suddenly much closer and should have waited until the turn was cleared before getting past him.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by dangerus_car

https://www.planetf1.com/news/mclare...ewis-hamilton/

not going to happen

if he wins imagine next will be Hamilton, and then Damon Hill, everyone vs Senna, and then other sports like tennis, cycling, Olympics, !

[Killed by Death]

Hitler learns Hamilton is F1 world champion 2008

[Killed by Death]

Always knew it was 6ewis NOT 7ewis....

Ecclestone was quoted as saying, in translation, that “we wanted to protect the sport and save it from a huge scandal”.

“I still feel sorry for Massa today,” he added. “He was cheated out of the title he deserved, while Hamilton had all the luck in the world and won his first championship.”


https://www.grandprix247.com/2023/08...08-title-loss/

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by M2siast

He would still be 7ewis. If he "loses" the championship to Massa, it opens up for him to win the one stolen for Verstappen, so one would balance the other.

Nice try

[M5Rick]

Massa has sent 'Letter of Claim' to FIA/FOM in which they have a fortnight to respond to and if not will start legal proceedings against the 2008 world championship result.
There are many rules from FIA on how once the championship is decided it is final, but the evidence presented may be damning enough to heap more disgrace on the organisation.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/ma...2Mrxfro.Vbb5eh

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M2siast

He would still be 7ewis. If he "loses" the championship to Massa, it opens up for him to win the one stolen for Verstappen, so one would balance the other.

Mate . I can feel your pain !

[Marcoose]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Mate . I can feel your pain !

Wait until your guy is about the break the most coveted record of all records, and a nobody start applying rules as he sees fit, and 'no soup for you'.

I truly do not wish that upon Max. He's a phenomenal driver, deserving of all accolades. But if Lewis' fate ever repeats itself with Max, we'll never hear the end of that from you.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

Wait until your guy is about the break the most coveted record of all records, and a nobody start applying rules as he sees fit, and 'no soup for you'.

I truly do not wish that upon Max. He's a phenomenal driver, deserving of all accolades. But if Lewis' fate ever repeats itself with Max, we'll never hear the end of that from you.

MAX will break 'all the records , It's just a matter of 'time .

Other things are lost in 'time ...As you can see .

[Killed by Death]

Never gets old

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Massa is adding more pressure on FIA stating that the 2008 Singapore GP crashgate was 'fraudulent' in its drawn out performance hence suggesting that the FIA's pledge where the result can't be reversed is invalid in this case.
Link
https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/10...ewis-hamilton/

Fraus omnia corrumpit.

[M5Rick]

Massa is determined, putting more pressure on Hamilton to finally talk and looks more likely he will attend the race despite FI asking him to stay away but only if he was coming as an 'ambassador'. After all Massa is a Brazilian and has every right to attend.
https://www.planetf1.com/news/felipe...-f1-court-case

[Fillip]

He is not going to get any success with this.

[M5Rick]

No? The pressure is piling more and more as Todd joins in the crashgate debate.
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/25243...-scrapped.html