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with that approach.. turning the steering wheel should break the regulations as well..
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There are no stupid questions...F1 is complex and NO One knows it all.
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Sadly I'm stuck with this stupid sense of morality. I'm guessing life is a lot easier if a persons sense of morality is a little fuzzy. I loved watching Usain Bolt winning those 100m races..there was something magical about it. If it ever turns out he cheated in some way then that would be really quite sad...same goes for Mercedes and their F1 wins and championships. In the case of Red Bull, you expect them to be cheating, thats just the sort of team they are....the people who run the team set the standard. Last edited by SenorFunkyPants; 05-17-2021 at 03:21 AM.. |
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VER - 0 HAM - 1 Total Pole Positions in their first 6 years in F1 VER - 4 HAM - 26 (4 in 2009 in the 6th fastest car on the grid) The Clueless boys are supporting VER as being better than Sir Lewis. On more hardcore F1 sites that I participate in, the VER fanboys are starting to see the truth and are stepping back from their position that VER is better since he is 1 win in 4 and 1 pole position in a faster and more stable car.
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RBR seems to have created a feature that passes the test and provides and advantage in a sport where you are trying to outcompete against other teams by engineering things to the finest of margins. VW created a specific cheat mechanism to allow the SAE/EPA testing to get a false result. This has negative impacts on the environment and the customers that bought these cars expecting something different. Ill add that I work in the auto-industry so I do understand the drive to also outcompete with your competition among other automakers. So in my mind, they are different situations, but I understand how you are drawing comparisons. |
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Their wing must remain rigid in relation to the sprung bodywork. It does not, in situ. This is a rules violation. The test doesn't matter. Edit: This is perfectly congruent with VW. They designed a cheat to pass the emissions test but return to pollution mode at speed. RBR designed a wing to pass the static load test but flex at speed. Notice the similarities?
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If VER is so great, why isn't he wiping the floor with Sir Lewis? He has every element that is necessary to win...even down to an illegal car. And still he cannot manage more than 1 win and 1 pole position. A 25% success rate with the fastest car and the alleged best driver. Care to explain?
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LOL! And the first race?
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"Must be rigidly secured to the entirely sprung part of the car (rigidly secured means not having any degree of freedom)." As MK said. It has no call out for passing a test, the wording is extremely clear that there must be no deflection. So yeah, RBR is cheating. Its not cool like I initially thought before reading the regs. Another note though. It seems very odd to use the wording "rigidly secure" and "Not having degree of freedom" That is much too absolute for the real world IMO. Its almost impossible to make any joint or feature experiencing as much force as that rear wing not deflect or rotate at all. I am willing to bet the Merc and every other car also moves, just not as much. I think they should amend the reg to say, "with a 1200kg load in -Z or +X there shall be only 2mm of deflection" or something like that. That is how most automotive industry regulations are. Thoughts? |
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This is a simple thing to see and, like in all things human, there has to be a degree of freedom. That said, the car must comply with the rules and that MUST be proven to the FIA by THE TEAM!! This is one of the reasons I respect Merc with the DAS situation. They got approval from the FIA and ran the device. Apparently RBR has been doing this since last year and is being called out for it. They have a history of this exact malfeasance. That is the reason I'm a little vexed about it.
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As I shared in an earlier post...F1 is complex and no one knows it all. Not even the rules makers. Sharing knowledge and beginning with the foundation of the rules, both Technical and Sporting, is always a great start.
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MAX pulled a 20 sec. gap in Spain . And HAM won the race with a 15 sec. gap ! 20 + 15 = 35 sec. ! That's even worse than in 2019 ! And "IF" Red Bull is faster ? Where is Checo ? Probably your statement was a joke ....
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VER, the greatest driver in the history of F1 lost the race. There is a lot of explaining which goes on with regard to Max and his excuses for not winning. Not so with Sir Lewis. He just wins. And Max didn't pull a 20 second gap. It was a pit stop, my friend.
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From a former RB Driver...the one that beat VER
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