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07-13-2021, 02:57 PM | #23 | |
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Now there have been multiple posts about Minis. What configuration should I look for to maximize my fun?
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I'm in the North with snowy winters. Do I need xdrive, or is it sufficient to have winter tires? Can I get xdrive + manual trans? So many questions. Thanks for your help (everyone)! |
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My top pick for a Mini would be a first gen (2000-2006) Cooper S or JCW. The supercharger noise on the S adds a ton of character and the accessory JCW exhaust amps up the noise, pops and burbles. After that, pretty much any S or JCW model will be the most fun and the aftermarket JCW exhaust is a must have.
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If I still lived in Michigan, my cars would be BMW xDrive cars with snow tires on all four wheels. Other people will undoubtedly have different opinions. A 335i or a 340i will never be an ///M car, even with an M Sport Package, although many people think that they can "upgrade" those cars with aftermarket parts to equal a ///M car. Again, others will have different opinions. My wife's first BMW was an E92 335is Coupe, marketed as a step between the 335i and the M3, and while it was a great car and fun to drive, it was closer to the 335i than it was to the M3.
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I dont think its as cool as my M coupe but for daily and winter use my X3M40i is tough to beat! The electric steering cant hold a candle to the M nor can the skinny steering wheel. However the 3 liter turbo 6 is incredible with the ZF 8 speed tranny! I still love climbing into the Z on the weekends...
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TBH, nearly anything is going to be cooler than a minivan
I have a 2nd gen X3 xdrive with a turbo 6 and the dynamic handling pkg. Room enough, fast enough, handles well enough, fun enough and goes through snow well enough. Not sure I would consider it cool enough but I needed something for winter to handle the hilly snow covered roads and to take on trips since I retired my 24 year old 4Runner. |
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Regarding the original question from the OP -
Your only criteria is "cool" and "4-seats"? That is a WIDE open field......... Occasional use only seats for kids? How about an old 996 Porsche in the $25k to $30k range (although the prices seem to be climbing on those). Or do you need "real" back seats?
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I live in Canada and for snow, yes you can get away without Xdrive if you run with a good set of winter tires. But Xdrive is soooo much better in the snow so it’s my preference. And Xdrive cars are automatic shift only. |
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Actually, if someone put a gun to my head and insisted I have a 4-seater from BMW for my daily, I'd probably go with a 4-series Gran Coupe (because hatchbacks rule) or a 435i with manual (if getting a stick was a requirement and the GC isn't available with stick).
Dunno if they are "cool" enough for the OP though.
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Love my 996 Turbo. With some bolt-ons and tuning, few cars can keep up
Prices are out of control on used Porsches though, to a greater extent than the rest of the used car market. I wouldn't consider a non-GT/Turbo 996/997.1 due to the engine issues, and 997.2+ 911s are overpriced.
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When I read "cool", SUVs don't come to my mind. I think about unique and distinct. Ie not common. I used to think Teslas were cool until I see them at every street corner.
Lately I've been dreamin' of acquiring an old school Alfa. Speaking of Miata, great cars. Those who experienced them knows how good these little Mazdas are. Each generation delivers different driving sensation. If you find the Miata is a bit too uncouth, the Fiat 124 has similar feel to an e85. The Abarth version is quite fun too. |
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OP here. You've given me a lot to consider. Some additional thoughts over the past days:
- The thing I love about the z4 is definitely that it is "cool", but the important part is probably that I get excited every time I drive it. Heck, I get excited every time I take trash to the garage and look at it. I go look at it when I don't have trash to take out. - I need a second car to use with kids in the car, or in the winter. In both cases, I am probably not going to be winding the car up like I do the z4. This is the crux of my question here: Is there a winter car with 4 seats that will be as exciting as the z4? I want that to be an M2/M3/M4 (yes, the 435 is also cool enough). Is an X3M exciting? - Stopped at the local dealer yesterday. M2/M3/M4 are great. And expensive. If I had to pick a used one to bring the cost down, which year(s) should I look for or avoid? - I've always liked the Miata, but I already have a two-seater. I /almost/ took the z out for an HPDE day last week, but bailed out because I didn't want to risk damage to my baby. I read about someone doing track days in a Miata and just flooring it almost continuously. So maybe there's room for a track-day Miata in my future. Thanks for the non-BMW suggestions too! |
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IMS bearing is a problem with specific years of 911s and Boxster. I believe if they were to fail, it would've occurred during mid-life. So either buy a mint condition with the fix in place. I think a company called LN Engineering does that and provides a certification. Else buy a high mileage one at a low price and roll the proverbial dice.
For 911s... the uber-definition of cool would have an "air" as prefix. Wish I kept my 964 instead of "maturing up" and sold it for a Subaru Outback. |
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On the other hand, the Mezger (996/997 GT/Turbo) was a legendary engine- overbuilt with proven parts and a dry sump oiling system. It is one of the best engines ever made. Several examples have gone over 500k miles with track time and upgraded turbos, and one has gone over 720k miles without a rebuild. I remember one example in particular that was torn down at 550k miles because the owner assumed it was needed, but he found virtually no wear. Failures are rare as long as boost is kept in check. It would be worth the extra money for peace of mind, forgetting for a minute that Mezgers can make huge power. Where the 996 saved Porsche financially, the Mezger saved their reputation. Most of the engine's part numbers begin with 993 or 964, so it does have some character once its exhaust system is opened up. Water cooling was essentially an after thought.
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Reposting this in case it got lost amid recent posts:
OP here. You've given me a lot to consider. Some additional thoughts over the past days: - The thing I love about the z4 is definitely that it is "cool", but the important part is probably that I get excited every time I drive it. Heck, I get excited every time I take trash to the garage and look at it. I go look at it when I don't have trash to take out. - I need a second car to use with kids in the car, or in the winter. In both cases, I am probably not going to be winding the car up like I do the z4. This is the crux of my question here: Is there a winter car with 4 seats that will be as exciting as the z4? I want that to be an M2/M3/M4 (yes, the 435 is also cool enough). Is an X3M exciting? - Stopped at the local dealer yesterday. M2/M3/M4 are great. And expensive. If I had to pick a used one to bring the cost down, which year(s) should I look for or avoid? 2014 M235i looks like it might be a fit, but RWD only. - I've always liked the Miata, but I already have a two-seater. I /almost/ took the z out for an HPDE day last week, but bailed out because I didn't want to risk damage to my baby. I read about someone doing track days in a Miata and just flooring it almost continuously. So maybe there's room for a track-day Miata in my future. Thanks for the non-BMW suggestions too! |
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I daily my E70 X5M. Fun to drive, lots of space, great in the snow. It's just terrible on gas 🤣
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