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11-12-2014, 07:32 AM | #1 |
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More Bad News on C02
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...next-11-years/
Obama has made a deal with the Chinese to cut US C02 emissions at least 26% by 2025. The Chinese will try to cap their C02 emissions by 2030 in exchange. Doubtless this will have an effect on the cars we can buy (beyond the already draconian EPA regulations) and other aspects of our lives.
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When your electricity rates double or triple and the only car you can buy is a Prius you will know it is bad.
Germany, the uber green country has the highest electricity rates in the world, except for a few isolated places that have to burn oil. The country is in an economic funk and is exporting jobs to the US because we have cheap power. When that cheap power goes away, so will the jobs. Anyone who loses their job over this will think it is a disaster, not just bad. Why do we have to go to these extremes after 18 years of flat temperatures?
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That would be fine.
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I'm all for taxing C02 as much as possible. Here in St. Louis, we just got blasted with record cold global warming in early November. If it wasn't for that evil global warming, we'd probably be 40 degrees below normal as opposed to only around 30 degrees below normal now.
Record cold, no measurable sea level increase, ice caps expanding, ZERO hurricane activity for almost 10 years, and no rise in global temperatures for 18 years now means we definitely need draconian, useless, middle class and business destroying taxes on C02 emissions NOW!!!! |
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The fact that you bring politics into this already dooms this conversation and then spout nonsense like the above. At least the Chinese in urban areas won't get lung cancer in a couple decades by simply standing outside and breathing. |
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Attaboy!
That's powerful thinking. Genius?
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I'm not sure who "You boys" are supposed to be. I never mentioned anything as to my own political affiliation just making fun of the absolute nonsense in this thread. Most of those who lost last week deserved it. Sadly those moving into DC soon will likely be no better. The best thing about most political discussions such as this are the hilarious blind eyes to reality and just hyperbolic slippery slope arguments. Just goes to show who blindly listens to MSNBC and Fox News so long as it feeds a misplaced ideology. |
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The problem in China is old fashioned local pollution. CO2 emissions do not clog the air and are irrelevant. They need to spend some money on scrubbers. Climate change is inherently a political topic. Only politicians would attempt to force spending trillions on reducing CO2 emissions when temperatures stopped climbing 18 years ago, it is freezing in North America, Antarctic ice is expanding, and there are numerous fudges in the data which indicate the increase was less than claimed.
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Thanks for the reasonable reply though. I'd argue of all of the complicated issues going on in Germany and the EU, utility rates are towards the bottom of the list as far as weighted impact is concerned. Also if I were to shape a dialog around this topic I wouldn't base it on the notion that climate change is some liberal scare tactic. To do so would dismiss the extensive independent scientific research worldwide on the issue. It would be more interesting to discuss just how much CO2 emissions are from automobiles vs differing types of power generating factories vs the emissions caused from things as simple as cow farts and the fact that we cut down is is plenty of trees for building and agriculture purposes. All of which contribute to CO2 emissions. Instead, making it political results in a degradation of the topic to baseless talking points and conspiracies about some silly plot to have everyone drive a Prius. Last edited by fecurtis; 11-12-2014 at 08:16 PM.. |
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Given that this is a car forum I'll keep my response car related. Lots of people like to tout the epa and the c02 restrictions as the doomsday for cars. Yet today, with more regulation and restrictions than say ten years ago, our cars have never been faster, safer, AND more fuel efficient. The fact that we have have cars that can do sub 4 second 0-60 and get 30+ mpg is a testament to that.
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