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      11-15-2019, 04:43 PM   #67
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Originally Posted by fastboatster View Post
Poor excuse. I don’t think it’s the complexity, but rather, poor engineering and artificial complexity. Besides, poor reliability effectively rises the price. It is no longer a 30k vehicle, it’s a 40-45k vehicle with 30k “downpayment”
Toyota makes your point...partly. But what Toyota/Lexus do, apparently deliberately, is to delay new technology until it is mature. The Germans tend to install it first and fix it later!

But I stick with my basic point. Even for a Toyota or Lexus, the more complex the vehicle, the more likely it will be to have problems.
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