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      03-21-2013, 07:45 PM   #23
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How much less is the 525? Since the 500 is $9k and the VF570 is 8100 from VAC...
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Air to air is the way to go IMO, beautiful kit. If airbox doesn't come through for us I might have to jump on one of these kits. This much power puts the car in supercar territory.
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The new VT2-525 kit uses a different fuel injector, software and oil cooler design than our original 500 kit. Outside of the hardware and software changes we refined the intercooler pipes for simpler installation and fine tuned a few other aspects of the kit.

We have not set an upgrade price for the new 525 kit for current VT1 owners but we will very soon. Current VT2-500 customers I will get you upgrade info.
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The new VT2-525 kit uses a different fuel injector, software and oil cooler design than our original 500 kit. Outside of the hardware and software changes we refined the intercooler pipes for simpler installation and fine tuned a few other aspects of the kit.

We have not set an upgrade price for the new 525 kit for current VT1 owners but we will very soon. Current VT2-500 customers I will get you upgrade info.
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      03-22-2013, 02:30 AM   #27
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Awesome roman :-) looking forward to hearing the price for me to move from 500 to 525 kit......... Seems like the the kit has been refined but basically the same as the 500...... My 500 kit has the grey Bosch injectors btw.......

Patiently waiting to here the damage :-)

I'd like a new tune anyway now so... This is my perfect chance to jump in.
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what kind of times did it run at button? i have VT1 and will upgrade to this for sure if the price point is there!
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      03-23-2013, 02:05 AM   #29
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Roman any news on the existing 500 owners to get the 525 spec... Boost is the same , so basically it's the new software we need to unlock the additional power....

Soooooo......

How much????
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Price is $8795 for the kit and upgrade pricing will be released at the end of March (from M3Forum).
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I just dont understand why does my car with 8psi of boost cannot develop 525 hp with the new tune ?? In other terms why AJ cannot provide the new tune for me, its not like hes tuning it for the second time, this is what i paid for in the first place.
I also have the setrab oil cooler and a 55C thermostat
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Since you were provided a custom configuration, ESS would be the best to answer the component questions. We are running grey injectors on this build.

At the moment, the ESS system is simply much more enjoyable to drive, it performed flawlessly on the track - something we haven't fully been able take advantage of for the better part of all last year.
Can you comment on the peak oil temps you saw during your track testing, is the new Setrab oil cooler up for 25 minute advanced group sessions?
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      03-23-2013, 04:04 PM   #33
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I just dont understand why does my car with 8psi of boost cannot develop 525 hp with the new tune ?? In other terms why AJ cannot provide the new tune for me, its not like hes tuning it for the second time, this is what i paid for in the first place.
I also have the setrab oil cooler and a 55C thermostat
actually agree with you!! id love to see these companies actually offering existing customers GOOD deals........ IMO you JUST purchased a 500 kit... its runs the same boost, the same hardware abeit slightly altered for a cleaner install, why not as good will get the first 525 kit out and get that customer spreading the word, He's paid anyway, so to just flash the 525 tune isnt costing Ess a single penny.....
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      03-25-2013, 03:44 AM   #34
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actually agree with you!! id love to see these companies actually offering existing customers GOOD deals........ IMO you JUST purchased a 500 kit... its runs the same boost, the same hardware abeit slightly altered for a cleaner install, why not as good will get the first 525 kit out and get that customer spreading the word, He's paid anyway, so to just flash the 525 tune isnt costing Ess a single penny.....
Oh dear lord, you know how to lay down my thoughts into words for me.
I have 8PSI, full catless, 98RON fuel, I can see my car pushing 550 with 525 hp tune, easily.

Plus, if i'm upgrading in the future, i'm going for built motor VT3-650 something, why bother for 25hp, what's the gain in that, i'd rather spend that in seat time with a professional race driver or maybe fixed bucket seat, brakes, ... the list just goes on and on
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any updates roman on upgrade pricing :-)
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Can you comment on the peak oil temps you saw during your track testing, is the new Setrab oil cooler up for 25 minute advanced group sessions?
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Oil temps barely moved throughout the entire day.

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what kind of times did it run at button? i have VT1 and will upgrade to this for sure if the price point is there!
Best time was 2:04 @ BW, Z needs a BBK badly (on the way).
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Oil temps barely moved throughout the entire day.
I think we're looking for a number...

My car ran 230 degrees at the track this past Friday with the same oil cooler.
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my car runs at the 1 oclock position during all day 30 Deg C track days.... doesnt get hotter than this, recovery times are very quick, as soon you you stop and idle is settles back tot he 12 oclock mark, on cool days the car oil runs TOO cool so ive made a blanking plate to block half of it off, takes 30 seconds to remove and install :-)
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I think we're looking for a number...

My car ran 230 degrees at the track this past Friday with the same oil cooler.
We'll be sure to datalog next track session.
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I just dont understand why does my car with 8psi of boost cannot develop 525 hp with the new tune ?? In other terms why AJ cannot provide the new tune for me, its not like hes tuning it for the second time, this is what i paid for in the first place.
I also have the setrab oil cooler and a 55C thermostat
The new VT2-525 does not run the same grey injectors as the 445/500 version of the kit. Both the 445/500 and 525 injectors are gray, but they are not the same. The new 525 injectors are ~20% larger and the software is completely different to run them. The 500 software is actually very good, what is limiting the older 500 kits power potential is the injector capacity. The software run on the older 500 kits is designed for the injectors that were used on that kit. The crank and water pump pulleys are different on the new 525 as well as the oil cooler mounting/hoses. The SC discharge tube is also now a revised 1 piece section. The new 525 was designed as an overhaul to the majority of the older kit to improve many aspects of it including performance.

VT2-500 customers who want to upgrade to the 525 spec kit in terms of power alone will need more than just a software update, they will need the new 525 spec injectors, new water pump and crank pulley/belt in addition to the new 525 spec software for the higher capacity injectors.

We are working on pricing for these upgrade solutions now and I will update soon as they are ready. First to be released will be the full kits followed shortly by the upgrade kits.
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The new VT2-525 does not run the same grey injectors as the 445/500 version of the kit. Both the 445/500 and 525 injectors are gray, but they are not the same. The new 525 injectors are ~20% larger and the software is completely different to run them. The 500 software is actually very good, what is limiting the older 500 kits power potential is the injector capacity. The software run on the older 500 kits is designed for the injectors that were used on that kit. The crank and water pump pulleys are different on the new 525 as well as the oil cooler mounting/hoses. The SC discharge tube is also now a revised 1 piece section. The new 525 was designed as an overhaul to the majority of the older kit to improve many aspects of it including performance.

VT2-500 customers who want to upgrade to the 525 spec kit in terms of power alone will need more than just a software update, they will need the new 525 spec injectors, new water pump and crank pulley/belt in addition to the new 525 spec software for the higher capacity injectors.

We are working on pricing for these upgrade solutions now and I will update soon as they are ready. First to be released will be the full kits followed shortly by the upgrade kits.
awesome.... i like the parted inter-cooler hosing on the 500 kit me and simpson did some nice custom work on mine to really get a nice fit, we then powdercoated them, in terms of look and fit, they really look the business.... ok so we need injectors, and water pump and crank pullies + the software, luckily on the grand scheme of things... again very minor!! keep us updated on the pricing, this is something i'll definitely do if the cost is reasonable. (which imo really needs to be for existing owners )

Still dont under stand why we can just swap the injectors and tune.... if the cars make the same boost, then were changing pullies ect ect to achieve the exact same boost figure......
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The new VT2-525 does not run the same grey injectors as the 445/500 version of the kit. Both the 445/500 and 525 injectors are gray, but they are not the same. The new 525 injectors are ~20% larger and the software is completely different to run them. The 500 software is actually very good, what is limiting the older 500 kits power potential is the injector capacity. The software run on the older 500 kits is designed for the injectors that were used on that kit. The crank and water pump pulleys are different on the new 525 as well as the oil cooler mounting/hoses. The SC discharge tube is also now a revised 1 piece section. The new 525 was designed as an overhaul to the majority of the older kit to improve many aspects of it including performance.

VT2-500 customers who want to upgrade to the 525 spec kit in terms of power alone will need more than just a software update, they will need the new 525 spec injectors, new water pump and crank pulley/belt in addition to the new 525 spec software for the higher capacity injectors.

We are working on pricing for these upgrade solutions now and I will update soon as they are ready. First to be released will be the full kits followed shortly by the upgrade kits.
awesome.... i like the parted inter-cooler hosing on the 500 kit me and simpson did some nice custom work on mine to really get a nice fit, we then powdercoated them, in terms of look and fit, they really look the business.... ok so we need injectors, and water pump and crank pullies + the software, luckily on the grand scheme of things... again very minor!! keep us updated on the pricing, this is something i'll definitely do if the cost is reasonable. (which imo really needs to be for existing owners )

Still dont under stand why we can just swap the injectors and tune.... if the cars make the same boost, then were changing pullies ect ect to achieve the exact same boost figure......
Beedub if what I was told is correct it may actually run less boost than your kit to achieve the 525 , thus the need for the different pulleys. It uses more fuel from the upgraded injectors to make power more efficiently .
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The new VT2-525 does not run the same grey injectors as the 445/500 version of the kit. Both the 445/500 and 525 injectors are gray, but they are not the same. The new 525 injectors are ~20% larger and the software is completely different to run them. The 500 software is actually very good, what is limiting the older 500 kits power potential is the injector capacity. The software run on the older 500 kits is designed for the injectors that were used on that kit. The crank and water pump pulleys are different on the new 525 as well as the oil cooler mounting/hoses. The SC discharge tube is also now a revised 1 piece section. The new 525 was designed as an overhaul to the majority of the older kit to improve many aspects of it including performance.

VT2-500 customers who want to upgrade to the 525 spec kit in terms of power alone will need more than just a software update, they will need the new 525 spec injectors, new water pump and crank pulley/belt in addition to the new 525 spec software for the higher capacity injectors.

We are working on pricing for these upgrade solutions now and I will update soon as they are ready. First to be released will be the full kits followed shortly by the upgrade kits.
Sounds great, PM me with the pricing to upgrade from 500 to 525 when you get some numbers
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