S54 vt2-500 numbers, Catless and Evolve tune.

Beedub · 12-05-2012, 07:01 AM

so.... on the m3forum the Vt2-500 is making some pretty nice gains.....
It seems running catless/ 100 cell race cats, Re-tune is giving some pretty heavy power gains...
This is on a car with nearly 90k miles!!!!! No meth either......
heres the details copied straight over.... it shows me.... i need catless and now!!! Also Evolve are clearly taking the tune to the next level, id love to know how far its being pushed and how the safety margins look, either way, Take a look at this bad boi!!!

Euro headers/cats dyno was on September 13th, 2012: 440 rwhp, 304 lb/ft tq SAE.
SS V1 stepped / HJS cats dyno was on December 4th, 2012: 464 rwhp, 314 lb/ft tq SAE.

Same dyno, same dyno operator, same gear (4th), same tune, same fuel (91 U.S. piss with the highly coveted 10% ethanol mix).
A nice difference from the improved VE with the Supersprint setup!
Sending the info to Sal to maybe richen it up a bit in the upper RPM range.
So far (600 miles with the V1/HJS), no codes, no CEL.
Car runs perfectly; a treat to drive every time.

Downstream from the headers/cats is Supersprint X-pipe with resonator, and the SS Street muffler.
Upstream is a K&N RU-3130 air filter attached to a silicone hose with a 30 degree angle at the end.
This makes for an excellent fit over the top of a stock brake duct and in front of the wheel well cover.
No part of the filter is directly exposed to the elements, or blocking any airflow through the brake duct.

Big thanks to Alex (flipm3) for putting together the graph layout below.
I'll eventually get there, but wanted to post this sometime before the next century.

Beedub · 12-05-2012, 07:09 AM

464rwhp!!!!!! Wonderful.

tikamak · 12-05-2012, 07:52 AM

Bro, you just made a post and replied on yourself :P

Beedub · 12-05-2012, 08:38 AM

I no!!!!!!, excitement got me !!!

SmartBastard · 12-05-2012, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Beedub

464rwhp!!!!!! Wonderful.

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Originally Posted by Beedub

Dyno figures are pretty inaccurate at the best of times, unless you take the motor out and do it on a engine dyno..... Then were talking ;-)

Very nice numbers tho

tikamak · 12-05-2012, 10:41 AM

Salman is a freak when it comes to tuning. he can really do magic.
I'll probably have him tune my ESS VT2-500 in the future if he doesn't ask for a lot of money.

Beedub · 12-05-2012, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SmartBastard

Very nice numbers tho

still stand by that statement.... its just a benchmark really..... at least guy has used the same dyno each time, used the same gear each time, its just an indicator at the end of the day however, but thanks anyway :-)

im just pleased their are gains to be had from catless, i was once told this isnt the case!!

Beedub · 12-05-2012, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by tikamak

Salman is a freak when it comes to tuning. he can really do magic.
I'll probably have him tune my ESS VT2-500 in the future if he doesn't ask for a lot of money.

have you seen the AFRs ??? not much room for error at all. what exactly are evolve doing to extract so much power from these kits.....

pokeybritches · 12-05-2012, 12:22 PM

I'm adding the V1 stepped headers and HJS cats when I have my G-Power kit installed. Here's to some good gains

ZStig · 12-05-2012, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by tikamak

Bro, you just made a post and replied on yourself :P

He pulled a "villanova"

johanness · 12-05-2012, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by pokeybritches

I'm adding the V1 stepped headers and HJS cats when I have my G-Power kit installed. Here's to some good gains

When's that going to be Pokey? You'll be the 1st stateside I take it?

Exciting

Beedub · 12-05-2012, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by pokeybritches

I'm adding the V1 stepped headers and HJS cats when I have my G-Power kit installed. Here's to some good gains

What are hjs cats??

Beedub · 12-05-2012, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ZStig

Quote:

Originally Posted by tikamak

Bro, you just made a post and replied on yourself :P

He pulled a "villanova"

The only thing is missed was saying
"Just saying" after every word ;-)

Just saying.

SCHMOUPE · 12-05-2012, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Beedub

The only thing is missed was saying
"Just saying" after every word ;-)

Just saying.

JOTHOTTTT

tikamak · 12-05-2012, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Beedub

have you seen the AFRs ??? not much room for error at all. what exactly are evolve doing to extract so much power from these kits.....

What salman does exactly is adjust the timing and ignition of the engine to increase the dynamic compression inside the cylinder. What happens exactly is that he reduces the time where both intake and exhaust are open at the same time and the air is hovering by over the cylinder to a minimum. This produces more power as well as let's the engine breathe better and be efficient without getting into the knock limits.

He also uses better methods that are optimized as well as some other stuff he refused to share with me, but I do trust his tuning especially after I have discussed his methods with him and I have seen how my car behaves with his tune.

It's just that much better to drive, you can feel the engine behaving at its best.

beta · 12-06-2012, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by pokeybritches

I'm adding the V1 stepped headers and HJS cats when I have my G-Power kit installed. Here's to some good gains

Can't wait to see. If g-power torque gains are confirmed it'll be the best low PSI kit on the market.

pokeybritches · 12-06-2012, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by johanness

When's that going to be Pokey? You'll be the 1st stateside I take it?

Exciting

I believe I will be... at least the first on Zpost. My build date is scheduled as soon as I return from overseas - the first week in April.

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Originally Posted by Beedub

What are hjs cats??

HJS cats are the best cats money can buy. They're expensive, but I don't want to leave my car too illegal or deal with the rasp from a catless exhaust. Supersprint uses them in their catted section 1's.

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Originally Posted by beta

Can't wait to see. If g-power torque gains are confirmed it'll be the best low PSI kit on the market.

Me too! However, the SS V1 stepped headers are focused on high rpm power, so that may skew the results a bit. There would be a few hp difference in the midrange between the SS V1 stepped vs the SS standard headers (or AA/Euro/other aftermarket headers).

Beedub · 12-06-2012, 12:23 PM

yeah i spoke to supersprint this morning.... wow.... those HJS cats are insane!!! seriously high end items right their..... their 100 cell cats are pretty awesome, i very nearly purchases them..... if the dkf option doesnt happen soon, im going to jump on these!! im hoping they wont introduce lots of rasp into the setup!!??

i was also told they would need to be hot for the car to pass emission tests.....

I didnt understand why these pipes were so expensive... Now i understand.....

ZStig · 12-06-2012, 12:43 PM

I'm gonna use Aero Turbine mufflers in place of my section 1 cats, should flow better than expensive 100 cell cats, and reduce rasp

dorifto88 · 12-06-2012, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Beedub

yeah i spoke to supersprint this morning.... wow.... those HJS cats are insane!!! seriously high end items right their..... their 100 cell cats are pretty awesome, i very nearly purchases them..... if the dkf option doesnt happen soon, im going to jump on these!! im hoping they wont introduce lots of rasp into the setup!!??

i was also told they would need to be hot for the car to pass emission tests.....

I didnt understand why these pipes were so expensive... Now i understand.....

im in the same boat with pokey. if i can sell my fabspeeds i intend to get ss ver 1s and their catted section 1. is the dkf option 2.5 in the section 1?

pokeybritches · 12-06-2012, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dorifto88

im in the same boat with pokey. if i can sell my fabspeeds i intend to get ss ver 1s and their catted section 1. is the dkf option 2.5 in the section 1?

Check out Custom Performance at http://www.custom-performance.net/pr...rt/pc/home.asp

I'd been talking with Jack about getting a custom section 1 using the Supersprint connecting pipe with HJS welded in, or a fully custom pipe for a little less. The SS pipe with HJS cats welded in by Custom Performance will cost ~$1k less than the catted section 1 from Supersprint.

It's still expensive, but better than a fine. I haven't been pulled over in about 5 years, but all it takes is one time with an observant cop smelling the vapors... Plus I want to remain somewhat emissions legal if I can. Cats do a better job of masking rasp than aeroturbines.

ZStig · 12-06-2012, 07:15 PM

What kind of mufflers do S54 "rasp pipes" use?

12-05-2012, 07:01 AM	#1
Beedub Brigadier General Drives: 2007 Z4 M roadster vt2-500 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UK Posts: 3,058 iTrader: (0)	so.... on the m3forum the Vt2-500 is making some pretty nice gains..... It seems running catless/ 100 cell race cats, Re-tune is giving some pretty heavy power gains... This is on a car with nearly 90k miles!!!!! No meth either...... heres the details copied straight over.... it shows me.... i need catless and now!!! Also Evolve are clearly taking the tune to the next level, id love to know how far its being pushed and how the safety margins look, either way, Take a look at this bad boi!!! Euro headers/cats dyno was on September 13th, 2012: 440 rwhp, 304 lb/ft tq SAE. SS V1 stepped / HJS cats dyno was on December 4th, 2012: 464 rwhp, 314 lb/ft tq SAE. Same dyno, same dyno operator, same gear (4th), same tune, same fuel (91 U.S. piss with the highly coveted 10% ethanol mix). A nice difference from the improved VE with the Supersprint setup! Sending the info to Sal to maybe richen it up a bit in the upper RPM range. So far (600 miles with the V1/HJS), no codes, no CEL. Car runs perfectly; a treat to drive every time. Downstream from the headers/cats is Supersprint X-pipe with resonator, and the SS Street muffler. Upstream is a K&N RU-3130 air filter attached to a silicone hose with a 30 degree angle at the end. This makes for an excellent fit over the top of a stock brake duct and in front of the wheel well cover. No part of the filter is directly exposed to the elements, or blocking any airflow through the brake duct. Big thanks to Alex (flipm3) for putting together the graph layout below. I'll eventually get there, but wanted to post this sometime before the next century. __________________ Pristine Bi-colour Ti /Bsm...z4m roadster Ess vt2-500....Perfection on wheels.
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12-05-2012, 07:09 AM	#2
Beedub Brigadier General Drives: 2007 Z4 M roadster vt2-500 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UK Posts: 3,058 iTrader: (0)	464rwhp!!!!!! Wonderful. __________________ Pristine Bi-colour Ti /Bsm...z4m roadster Ess vt2-500....Perfection on wheels.

12-05-2012, 08:38 AM	#4
Beedub Brigadier General Drives: 2007 Z4 M roadster vt2-500 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UK Posts: 3,058 iTrader: (0)	I no!!!!!!, excitement got me !!! __________________ Pristine Bi-colour Ti /Bsm...z4m roadster Ess vt2-500....Perfection on wheels.

12-05-2012, 12:22 PM	#9
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12-06-2012, 12:23 PM	#18
Beedub Brigadier General Drives: 2007 Z4 M roadster vt2-500 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UK Posts: 3,058 iTrader: (0)	yeah i spoke to supersprint this morning.... wow.... those HJS cats are insane!!! seriously high end items right their..... their 100 cell cats are pretty awesome, i very nearly purchases them..... if the dkf option doesnt happen soon, im going to jump on these!! im hoping they wont introduce lots of rasp into the setup!!?? i was also told they would need to be hot for the car to pass emission tests..... I didnt understand why these pipes were so expensive... Now i understand..... __________________ Pristine Bi-colour Ti /Bsm...z4m roadster Ess vt2-500....Perfection on wheels.

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tikamak Lieutenant Drives: 2006 Z4M Roadster TiAG/black Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Beirut Posts: 568 iTrader: (0)	Bro, you just made a post and replied on yourself :P

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tikamak Lieutenant Drives: 2006 Z4M Roadster TiAG/black Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Beirut Posts: 568 iTrader: (0)	Salman is a freak when it comes to tuning. he can really do magic. I'll probably have him tune my ESS VT2-500 in the future if he doesn't ask for a lot of money.

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ZStig Major General Drives: VT2-500 M Roadster Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Delray Beach, FL Posts: 6,419 iTrader: (3)	I'm gonna use Aero Turbine mufflers in place of my section 1 cats, should flow better than expensive 100 cell cats, and reduce rasp __________________

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