What do Mormons believe?

[E90SoFlo]

Originally Posted by ScotchAndCigar

When are you going to stop posting foolish, stupid, baseless thoughts and conjecture? The article you reference doesn't even remotely support your commentary.

If anything, between the well documented dying-off of republicans, and the expansion of urbanesque suburbs, it's the GOP that's doomed. In any case, I'd recommend you research how to go about posting fact-based viewpoints, or just stop posting.

Same time you stop praising obama for nothing.

[xbook]

Originally Posted by EvosM3

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1561137.html

Without illegal aliens, felons, and dead people the dems are finished as a party. They know that without their fraud, they could never get elected. That's why the IN-justice department is stopping Florida from cracking down on illegal voters. Your liberal party should be non-existent if we had a government that didn't allow illegals and dead people to vote.

So you are ok with the State of Florida restricting the rights of eligible voters? Have you read up on what they have been doing in Florida? They have all but tried to stop voter registration. It is so restrictive, that basically if you are an individual that tried to register someone to vote, and you don't get the registration into the Secretary of State's office within 48 hours, you get fined up to $1000. So imagine a school teacher in a civics class, trying to their students that are 18 and over to register to vote. If that teacher does everything within their power to get the registration cards to the state, yet for whatever reason they get it to the office in 49 hours, well guess what, that teacher is now going to personally face a huge fine, and the voter registration won't be valid. Sounds like the state of Florida is actively trying to make it difficult for individuals to register to vote. Sounds downright un-democratic to me, in fact it sounds very totalitarian.

Previously the state allowed for 10 days to get the registrations in. Why a need to make that time less?

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolit...ote-in-florida

EvosM3, it sounds like you would rather not let people exercise their constitutional right to vote.

[xbook]

Originally Posted by E90SoFlo

Same time you stop praising obama for nothing.

Hmmm, how's Bin Laden being dead working out for ya?

[EvosM3]

Originally Posted by xbook

Hmmm, how's Bin Laden being dead working out for ya?

Yep, Obama went out and killed him Rambo style. Oh yea, it was a gutsy move, because you know if the military tells you they have very strong evidence they know where Osama is, it would be tough to give them the ok to go get him.

[Silver E90]

Originally Posted by xbook

Hmmm, how's Bin Laden being dead working out for ya?

While I will give him credit for going into Pakistan to get him and for not deconstructing the anti-terrorism network that had been created post 9/11, I don't really know if he really had a choice. If he had a chance to get Bin Laden and chose not too, how do you sell that to the American public? Because we all know at some point that would get leaked that he had a clear shot and didn't take it. But what I don't agree with was what happened afterword. With the post mission press conference and the information leak about how the mission worked and what units were involved. Not to mention doesn't Bush get some credit as well? Just because we didn't get him when he was in office doesn't mean that his efforts for all those years didn't count. I believe that it has been reported that some of the information that was used to find him was directly related to Bush's efforts.

[xbook]

Originally Posted by Silver E90

While I will give him credit for going into Pakistan to get him and for not deconstructing the anti-terrorism network that had been created post 9/11, I don't really know if he really had a choice. If he had a chance to get Bin Laden and chose not too, how do you sell that to the American public? Because we all know at some point that would get leaked that he had a clear shot and didn't take it. But what I don't agree with was what happened afterword. With the post mission press conference and the information leak about how the mission worked and what units were involved. Not to mention doesn't Bush get some credit as well? Just because we didn't get him when he was in office doesn't mean that his efforts for all those years didn't count. I believe that it has been reported that some of the information that was used to find him was directly related to Bush's efforts.

So you're saying that he did something, which is the opposite of nothing, which was e90soflo's comment. Some of you may or may not agree with the President's policies, but you can't go around saying he has done nothing, it's dishonest at best.

Here is a list of accomplishments President Obama has done:

http://obamaachievements.org/list

Saying that has done nothing is a bald faced lie.

[Silver E90]

Originally Posted by xbook

So you're saying that he did something, which is the opposite of nothing, which was e90soflo's comment. Some of you may or may not agree with the President's policies, but you can't go around saying he has done nothing, it's dishonest at best.

Here is a list of accomplishments President Obama has done:

http://obamaachievements.org/list

Saying that has done nothing is a bald faced lie.

I can't and won't support e90soflo's comments, but I was just responding to your comment. I was just stating that I didn't think it was that hard of a call to make. If all the information that we know was true, then the biggest decision was to go into another country to get him. But again how could you as a president stand and defend the decision not to go after him just because he was in another country that we have a strained relationship with anyways? Pakistan probably knew he was there the whole time and is probably helping our enemies in the region too.

Do you think Bush deserves any credit?

How about the base and personnel in Guantanamo?

And that website you linked sure looks far to the left to me. How about a far right one listing all of his failures to even things out?

http://obamalies.net/list-of-obamas-failures

[335iheLLraiseR]

has anyone talked about the magic underwear yet?

[JesterEXW]

Originally Posted by xbook

So you're saying that he did something, which is the opposite of nothing, which was e90soflo's comment. Some of you may or may not agree with the President's policies, but you can't go around saying he has done nothing, it's dishonest at best.

Here is a list of accomplishments President Obama has done:

http://obamaachievements.org/list

Saying that has done nothing is a bald faced lie.

Ok, let's just get this straight. I am not an Obama bashed or supporter, he did surprisingly well on Foreign Policy and about as expected on the economy. He also let me down a bit on science/social issues. Anyhow he does not get credit for the Bin Laden move. The plan was in action before he got into office, all he did was pull the trigger which literally anyone would have done. You could point out a number of other things he has accomplished but that is a weak argument.

[Team Plutonium]

Originally Posted by 335iheLLraiseR

has anyone talked about the magic underwear yet?

Yup, I brought it up... it's the best f@cking part of that religion. That and that god is a resurrected being from another planet. Actually... I love it all.

[128vertinnoho]

Originally Posted by ScotchAndCigar

When are you going to stop posting foolish, stupid, baseless thoughts and conjecture? The article you reference doesn't even remotely support your commentary.

If anything, between the well documented dying-off of republicans, and the expansion of urbanesque suburbs, it's the GOP that's doomed. In any case, I'd recommend you research how to go about posting fact-based viewpoints, or just stop posting.

FACTS??? You know the cons have no idea what FACTS are!

[xbook]

Originally Posted by JesterEXW

Ok, let's just get this straight. I am not an Obama bashed or supporter, he did surprisingly well on Foreign Policy and about as expected on the economy. He also let me down a bit on science/social issues. Anyhow he does not get credit for the Bin Laden move. The plan was in action before he got into office, all he did was pull the trigger which literally anyone would have done. You could point out a number of other things he has accomplished but that is a weak argument.

So saying President Obama has done nothing is a strong argument?

[Templar]

Originally Posted by xbook

So saying President Obama has done nothing is a strong argument?

I don't think that is the argument they are trying to make (except e90soflo, he said exactly that which is retarded). Obama has accomplished a lot, I don't agree with all of his policies but I won't say he hasn't done anything, that's just nonsense.

I think the others are trying to say that he doesn't deserve so much credit for the killing of Bin Laden, which I kind of agree with. I think if (almost) anyone was presented with strong evidence that they could conduct a raid and kill him, they would have made the call to do it. It was a little bit of a rough call since we didn't quite have the go ahead from Pakistan, so I give him credit for not backing down in that aspect for sure.

[Silver E90]

Originally Posted by Templar

I don't think that is the argument they are trying to make (except e90soflo, he said exactly that which is retarded). Obama has accomplished a lot, I don't agree with all of his policies but I won't say he hasn't done anything, that's just nonsense.

I think the others are trying to say that he doesn't deserve so much credit for the killing of Bin Laden, which I kind of agree with. I think if (almost) anyone was presented with strong evidence that they could conduct a raid and kill him, they would have made the call to do it. It was a little bit of a rough call since we didn't quite have the go ahead from Pakistan, so I give him credit for not backing down in that aspect for sure.

That's what I was trying to say and I think we can all also agree that Pakistan has been the greatest "ally" to us, so like I said earlier I think they knew he was in the country and refused to tell us that. So while the call to go ahead was a bit risky, I don't think he had a choice.

Didn't Pakistan just jail the doctor that helped the US find Bin Laden?

Plus xbook hasn't answered my questions if Bush and or Gitmo deserves any credit for the intel that found his location.

[JesterEXW]

Originally Posted by xbook

So saying President Obama has done nothing is a strong argument?

Did you not read my entire post? I said that you could site any number of things he has accomplished but choosing that one was foolish as it is a weak argument. I already stated that I am not an Obama basher and he has done better than expected in some areas. The fact someone else has made a poor point in no way strengthens what you said.

[xbook]

Sorry for not picking out the best policy for his accomplishments in my pointing out that President Obama has done more than "nothing". I wasn't trying to bring the rest of you into the argument as an overall debate on the Bin Laden's death. I was trying to point out one thing to e90soflo. I'lll refrain from discussing Bin Laden's death in the future.

[JesterEXW]

Originally Posted by xbook

Sorry for not picking out the best policy for his accomplishments in my pointing out that President Obama has done more than "nothing". I wasn't trying to bring the rest of you into the argument as an overall debate on the Bin Laden's death. I was trying to point out one thing to e90soflo. I'lll refrain from discussing Bin Laden's death in the future.

Well you had a fair point that I only spoke out on one side of te argument so here is the other:

Obama has accomplished the following while in office that I view in a positive light:

- Strong FP stance on China and world economic matters.

- Ended "Don't ask, don't tell", a regressive policy that in my eyes was a blatant violation of civil liberties

- Expanded drone strikes and DoD funding for special operations missions and intelligence gathering. Essentially supported fighting a "smarter war"

- Appointed 2 pro-choice supreme court justices.

Now, things Obama has done that I don't necessarily love but are accomplishments nonetheless:

- Shut down Guantanamo Bay

- Stuck to this Bush timeline for pulling out of Iraq

- Passed action to revamp the credit industry, disallowing much fraud on the consumer front.

- Expanded clean energy and alternative energy research funding

- Expanded same-sex partner rights

- Headed up legislation on overhauling a broken healthcare system

There are many things he's done well, some I wish he had done more on and some that I simply disagree with. Still there are "accomplishments" present on his record. Let us not forget also that he has been forced to deal with an especially uncooperative congress.

[gallian93]

Originally Posted by ScotchAndCigar

Hey, gay-basher's back! For the umpteenth time, there's no such word as "raciest", it's racist.

LOL this $hit made me die
he can't spell racist, and now you have him/her looking the number "umteenth"

[Team Plutonium]

Originally Posted by gallian93

LOL this $hit made me die
he can't spell racist, and now you have him/her looking the number "umteenth"

[EvosM3]

I think that the less Obama does, the better America is. I can't wait until the Supreme Court overturns his healthcare reform in a couple of weeks, that will be the final nail in his presidential coffin. The Wisconsin recall elections today won't make matters any better for the democrats either. So long liberals, America has had enough of your stupidity!

[ScotchAndCigar]

Originally Posted by EvosM3

I think that the less EvosM3 posts, the better America is. So long EvosM3, America has had enough of your stupidity!

fixed...

[BKsBimmer]

Originally Posted by JesterEXW

Anyhow he does not get credit for the Bin Laden move. The plan was in action before he got into office, all he did was pull the trigger which literally anyone would have done. You could point out a number of other things he has accomplished but that is a weak argument.

Sorry but you're not correct. Surveillance was underway before Obama was in office but the actual raid was not planned till January of 2011. Obama was intimately involved in the planning and made key decisions such as overruling a joint operation with Pakistani forces which ensured operational security and deciding to equip the team to fight it's way out if necessary. Both decisions proved to be fateful in the success of the mission.

I'm amazed when people say the president get's no credit for the success of the mission to kill Bin Laden. No one would deny if anything had gone wrong he would certainly get all the blame.