The cure for HOT! summer supercharger blues

Shereef_Osman · 02-21-2011, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by fr8tdog

Yea.... The AEM kit is just the right package for how I'm going to use water/meth. You're right, a Labonte or Aquamist would be a waste of money as I wouldn't use or need any of the many many features. My main reasoning for water/meth is just to get the cooler AIT and slightly higher effective octane to fight off summer heat power loss. Like the guy at Renn-spec showed with his E46 M3....there are major gains to be had without touching the DME and just tuning the water/meth to the car...safe and effective

here is a link for the kit
http://www.aemelectronics.com/1-gall...ection-kit-691

Very interested to see the results, should be lots of fun!

I'm installing a meth kit in my E30, but we are putting in a flow meter as well, as a safety measure. Might be something you want to think about even though you not running a specific tune for your meth.

http://www.aemelectronics.com/water-...r-1-4-sae-1184

fr8tdog · 02-22-2011, 03:51 PM

Cool. I caved and ordered the flow meter...yet another gauge

I actually like the idea of this gauge and it also has a system readiness light built into it so you dont need that extra warning bulb. So, here is what my plans are for the gauge seen... I removed all gauges from my A pillar and now will have On my leather z ash tray pod an AEM water meth flow meter, fuel psi, egt, and wil install the very cool...stealth rear view mirror AEM boost and wide band.

Diokaef · 02-22-2011, 04:03 PM

Do you have navigation on your car?

I just ask because I know a company that build a square digital display with 6 or 8 gauges that fit in the display housing of the nav, I have being thinking in remove my nav and using the housing of the screen to accommodate the gauges display, I know that would be easier to people that don't have nav to add the housing there but remove the navi screen from the housing and place this gauges instead. it should be a way cleaner instal plus would pop up when you start the car. I will post pictures later

fr8tdog · 02-22-2011, 04:06 PM

Yes... and I hope your going to say you can integrate gauges into the display

please!

ooops didnt see the other part of your question: EDIT

Diokaef · 02-22-2011, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by fr8tdog

Yes... and I hope your going to say you can integrate gauges into the display

please!

I can, I just don't have the time to mess with it right now, besides I don't like our nav so my plans include removing the OEM nav and adding a double din in place of my current stereo with a full integrated face to make it look OEM but better.

I will have the Pioneer navigation with custom facia and the vents will be allocated in each side of the display. will look kind like this one (View link) but the facia will be in the oem format of our dash

http://www.caraudiogiant.co.uk/shop/...prod_1027.html

Then I have the nav display to put this http://www.dakotadigital.com/index.c...rod/prd219.htm in its place

krnnerdboy · 02-22-2011, 05:22 PM

glad to see your back! Were you able to pick up the home?

on a side note, theoretically you can run the vt2 pulley w/o the intercooler if your using the w/m on a vt1....you'll void your warranty through ess but this is an option for those who are 1k miles from an authorized installer

fr8tdog · 02-23-2011, 11:41 AM

you could do that, but I would be cautious. I would want a fail safe that would pull your timing "WAY" back if a water/meth failure occurs. Turbos have it easy because of the very simple boost dump option and timing pull back. The Vt2-500 also uses larger fuel injectors and a different tune, so once you got that covered you would be good to go. I think this water/meth is a great addition to FI not only because of the cooling effects, but also the added protection against a bad batch of gas. If you pumped 87 octane even out of the correct 91 or 93 pump that could be the end of a beautiful S54 motor. Water/meth would be a safety net in this case, as it would keep the effective octane at a safe level. HPF has had a few blown motors because of this very reason...bad gas=kaboom. I'm also considering getting their Knock siren system installed. A few guys have saved their HPF turbo motors with the knock siren because of bad gas. Some food for thought. Cheers

The home sits about 1000 ft above lake Tahoe

Thanks for the welcome back

fr8tdog · 03-05-2011, 07:34 AM

Just a quick update on the AEM water/meth kit. I'm on a trip for work, but when I get home I'm installing the kit and will provide results. I just got an email from a guy with an E46 M3 that did this kit. He said our dynos looked very similar prior to the AEM water/meth, but after he installed the kit... he said the car pulled VERY hard and strong! He hasn't dynoed with the water/meth yet, but he said he could tell a major difference. This is without changing timing or boost. The only thing being done is using the smallest nozzle that comes with the kit and installing about 6" downstream of the intercooler outlet, start spray at 2 psi, and max at around 5 or 6 psi boost, with 50/50 water/meth mix. This is a perfect way to fight off heat soak power loss

jragan · 03-05-2011, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fr8tdog

Cool. I caved and ordered the flow meter...yet another gauge

I actually like the idea of this gauge and it also has a system readiness light built into it so you dont need that extra warning bulb. So, here is what my plans are for the gauge seen... I removed all gauges from my A pillar and now will have On my leather z ash tray pod an AEM water meth flow meter, fuel psi, egt, and wil install the very cool...stealth rear view mirror AEM boost and wide band.

The guy that makes these for HPF is on my local forum and also does them for radar detector displays as well. He does an EXCELLENT job. Radar-Mirror.com is his website.

fr8tdog · 03-05-2011, 11:19 PM

Yea.. I've seen that as well. You're absolutely right! he does excellent work. I was very impressed with the clean install. Can't wait to get this done. Cheers

Beedub · 03-10-2011, 02:46 AM

fr8tdog at thsi power level i would SERIOUSLY consider uprating your fuel pump.... i bet your getting close to maxing it now..

also how the hell are still on stock brakes with this power....?? time for an upgrade i think ;-)

fr8tdog · 03-11-2011, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Beedub

fr8tdog at thsi power level i would SERIOUSLY consider uprating your fuel pump.... i bet your getting close to maxing it now..

also how the hell are still on stock brakes with this power....?? time for an upgrade i think ;-)

as soon as i get the water/meth kit installed and SS headers i'll get a dyno to see where i'm really at. i suspect the water/meth will only shine in the hot weather and the water/meth induced hp gains will be less in the winter, as most of the cooling effect is gained in the summer. I dyno last summer in 94 f temps with stock headers, no water/meth, 8psi at 440whp. i'm going to guess with the SS step headers, water/meth and 93 octane that i will dyno 480-500whp...but that is just a guess. i think an upgrade to the fuel pump might not be a bad idea though. as for brakes, i'm looking into the stop tech 4 brake system. i dont track the car, so my brake needs are not a major issue...yet

pokeybritches · 03-11-2011, 10:42 PM

Those mirror gauges look tempting, especially if you install an on/off switch below the dash. I checked their site and they didn't list the E85/6 Z4 as having a compatible auto-dimming function. I may go this route to get a water temp and oil pressure gauge if they can keep the auto-dimming capability.

fr8tdog · 03-11-2011, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pokeybritches

Those mirror gauges look tempting, especially if you install an on/off switch below the dash. I checked their site and they didn't list the E85/6 Z4 as having a compatible auto-dimming function. I may go this route to get a water temp and oil pressure gauge if they can keep the auto-dimming capability.

The on/off switch is an excellent idea! I was actually thinking the same thing. I'll call tomorrow and see if auto dimming and power switch are feasible.

rabbit69 · 03-12-2011, 05:56 PM

god dam it fr8dog, im gna have to buy meth now. lol jk, let me know how it all goes, shoot me a message for the details, iv been really interested in it, but no help from ess... it doesnt get THAT hot here in Ottawa, but my plans are to take it back to dubai for good, and it gets REALLY hot there

fr8tdog · 03-12-2011, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbit69

god dam it fr8dog, im gna have to buy meth now. lol jk, let me know how it all goes, shoot me a message for the details, iv been really interested in it, but no help from ess... it doesnt get THAT hot here in Ottawa, but my plans are to take it back to dubai for good, and it gets REALLY hot there

HAHAHA! I understand, and I will definitely post a review. I fly to Dubai ALL the time and yes it is mother F'n HOT there. Water/meth would definitely help you in Dubai.... that is an understatement. Cheers

rabbit69 · 03-12-2011, 07:07 PM

u should come for a visit once i get back home, im from there

fr8tdog · 03-12-2011, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbit69

u should come for a visit once i get back home, im from there

let me know when you get back. cheers

Z4Murder · 03-13-2011, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by rabbit69

god dam it fr8dog, im gna have to buy meth now. lol jk, let me know how it all goes, shoot me a message for the details, iv been really interested in it, but no help from ess... it doesnt get THAT hot here in Ottawa, but my plans are to take it back to dubai for good, and it gets REALLY hot there

yea i'm not looking forward to the weather increase coming up. im here temporarly, close by, working at Al Udeid

fr8tdog · 03-14-2011, 05:42 PM

I'm back home and have my AEM water/meth kit ready for install. I should have it done in the next day or so and will have dyno numbers. I will try and get pictures of the install and intercooler piping (for you Beedub

) I'm going to have a bung welded into the intercooler pipe for extra strength when I go to high boost VT3

don't want any nozzles blown out of the pipe. I also just got off the phone with Supersprint and they said my V2 step headers are being shipped from Italy next week

Should have the headers installed around first week of May and will have dyno numbers no headers..no water/meth, dyno #'s water/meth only, and #'s water/meth and headers...93 octane. Cheers

pokeybritches · 03-14-2011, 05:58 PM

Very excite.

fr8tdog · 03-14-2011, 08:04 PM

Thanks... pretty excited to see the results. The guy doing the install has extensive experience with turbos, superchargers, nitrous and water/meth and he knows exactly what I'm trying to do. He said, because of the position of my AIT probe, I'm basically keeping timing advanced in hot weather or when I'm running hard with the water/meth. The benefits are major in the summer and so-so in the winter. Results should be interesting

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fr8tdog International Bar Hopper 25 Rep 350 Posts Drives: 2006 Imola Red Z4 M Roadster Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Incline Village, Lake Tahoe iTrader: (0)	Cool. I caved and ordered the flow meter...yet another gauge I actually like the idea of this gauge and it also has a system readiness light built into it so you dont need that extra warning bulb. So, here is what my plans are for the gauge seen... I removed all gauges from my A pillar and now will have On my leather z ash tray pod an AEM water meth flow meter, fuel psi, egt, and wil install the very cool...stealth rear view mirror AEM boost and wide band. __________________ 2006 Imola Red Z4 M, ESS VT2-500 Supercharged, SS V2 step headers, AEM water/meth, Nitto NT555R Drag Radials, ESS VT3 coming Last edited by fr8tdog; 02-22-2011 at 04:04 PM..
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fr8tdog International Bar Hopper 25 Rep 350 Posts Drives: 2006 Imola Red Z4 M Roadster Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Incline Village, Lake Tahoe iTrader: (0)	Yes... and I hope your going to say you can integrate gauges into the display please! ooops didnt see the other part of your question: EDIT __________________ 2006 Imola Red Z4 M, ESS VT2-500 Supercharged, SS V2 step headers, AEM water/meth, Nitto NT555R Drag Radials, ESS VT3 coming Last edited by fr8tdog; 02-22-2011 at 04:15 PM..
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krnnerdboy Colonel 190 Rep 2,431 Posts Drives: v10 m6 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: so cal iTrader: (10)	glad to see your back! Were you able to pick up the home? on a side note, theoretically you can run the vt2 pulley w/o the intercooler if your using the w/m on a vt1....you'll void your warranty through ess but this is an option for those who are 1k miles from an authorized installer __________________ F80 m3, 997 gt3, 14 ram ctd, f15 x5, drz400sm Gone:z4m, boss 302, c6 z06, m6,z3m
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fr8tdog International Bar Hopper 25 Rep 350 Posts Drives: 2006 Imola Red Z4 M Roadster Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Incline Village, Lake Tahoe iTrader: (0)	you could do that, but I would be cautious. I would want a fail safe that would pull your timing "WAY" back if a water/meth failure occurs. Turbos have it easy because of the very simple boost dump option and timing pull back. The Vt2-500 also uses larger fuel injectors and a different tune, so once you got that covered you would be good to go. I think this water/meth is a great addition to FI not only because of the cooling effects, but also the added protection against a bad batch of gas. If you pumped 87 octane even out of the correct 91 or 93 pump that could be the end of a beautiful S54 motor. Water/meth would be a safety net in this case, as it would keep the effective octane at a safe level. HPF has had a few blown motors because of this very reason...bad gas=kaboom. I'm also considering getting their Knock siren system installed. A few guys have saved their HPF turbo motors with the knock siren because of bad gas. Some food for thought. Cheers The home sits about 1000 ft above lake Tahoe Thanks for the welcome back __________________ 2006 Imola Red Z4 M, ESS VT2-500 Supercharged, SS V2 step headers, AEM water/meth, Nitto NT555R Drag Radials, ESS VT3 coming Last edited by fr8tdog; 02-23-2011 at 11:47 AM..
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fr8tdog International Bar Hopper 25 Rep 350 Posts Drives: 2006 Imola Red Z4 M Roadster Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Incline Village, Lake Tahoe iTrader: (0)	Just a quick update on the AEM water/meth kit. I'm on a trip for work, but when I get home I'm installing the kit and will provide results. I just got an email from a guy with an E46 M3 that did this kit. He said our dynos looked very similar prior to the AEM water/meth, but after he installed the kit... he said the car pulled VERY hard and strong! He hasn't dynoed with the water/meth yet, but he said he could tell a major difference. This is without changing timing or boost. The only thing being done is using the smallest nozzle that comes with the kit and installing about 6" downstream of the intercooler outlet, start spray at 2 psi, and max at around 5 or 6 psi boost, with 50/50 water/meth mix. This is a perfect way to fight off heat soak power loss __________________ 2006 Imola Red Z4 M, ESS VT2-500 Supercharged, SS V2 step headers, AEM water/meth, Nitto NT555R Drag Radials, ESS VT3 coming
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fr8tdog International Bar Hopper 25 Rep 350 Posts Drives: 2006 Imola Red Z4 M Roadster Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Incline Village, Lake Tahoe iTrader: (0)	Yea.. I've seen that as well. You're absolutely right! he does excellent work. I was very impressed with the clean install. Can't wait to get this done. Cheers __________________ 2006 Imola Red Z4 M, ESS VT2-500 Supercharged, SS V2 step headers, AEM water/meth, Nitto NT555R Drag Radials, ESS VT3 coming
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Beedub Major General 423 Rep 5,327 Posts Drives: 2007 Z4 M roadster vt2-500 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	fr8tdog at thsi power level i would SERIOUSLY consider uprating your fuel pump.... i bet your getting close to maxing it now.. also how the hell are still on stock brakes with this power....?? time for an upgrade i think ;-) __________________ Z4MR VT2 - Clubsport build. Multi award winning Detailing \| Wrap \| PPF specialists UK based - www.topwrapz.com
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rabbit69 Private First Class 6 Rep 131 Posts Drives: z4m roadster Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Ottawa iTrader: (0)	god dam it fr8dog, im gna have to buy meth now. lol jk, let me know how it all goes, shoot me a message for the details, iv been really interested in it, but no help from ess... it doesnt get THAT hot here in Ottawa, but my plans are to take it back to dubai for good, and it gets REALLY hot there
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fr8tdog International Bar Hopper 25 Rep 350 Posts Drives: 2006 Imola Red Z4 M Roadster Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Incline Village, Lake Tahoe iTrader: (0)	I'm back home and have my AEM water/meth kit ready for install. I should have it done in the next day or so and will have dyno numbers. I will try and get pictures of the install and intercooler piping (for you Beedub) I'm going to have a bung welded into the intercooler pipe for extra strength when I go to high boost VT3 don't want any nozzles blown out of the pipe. I also just got off the phone with Supersprint and they said my V2 step headers are being shipped from Italy next week Should have the headers installed around first week of May and will have dyno numbers no headers..no water/meth, dyno #'s water/meth only, and #'s water/meth and headers...93 octane. Cheers __________________ 2006 Imola Red Z4 M, ESS VT2-500 Supercharged, SS V2 step headers, AEM water/meth, Nitto NT555R Drag Radials, ESS VT3 coming
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fr8tdog International Bar Hopper 25 Rep 350 Posts Drives: 2006 Imola Red Z4 M Roadster Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Incline Village, Lake Tahoe iTrader: (0)	Thanks... pretty excited to see the results. The guy doing the install has extensive experience with turbos, superchargers, nitrous and water/meth and he knows exactly what I'm trying to do. He said, because of the position of my AIT probe, I'm basically keeping timing advanced in hot weather or when I'm running hard with the water/meth. The benefits are major in the summer and so-so in the winter. Results should be interesting __________________ 2006 Imola Red Z4 M, ESS VT2-500 Supercharged, SS V2 step headers, AEM water/meth, Nitto NT555R Drag Radials, ESS VT3 coming
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