Other Buy Considerations

FOUR FLUSHER · 02-26-2011, 11:23 AM

My last thread (coupe or roadster?) worked, thanks to all, at any rate, that debate started me thinks about the newer gen, maybe the best of both worlds, the '10 are way out of my "toy" range, but I thought I'd post the question anyway

Anyone compared the last gen to the new one? I know the price difference is huge, just wondering if last gen owners are lusting for "new" or I'd never trade up?

Z4Murder · 02-26-2011, 11:25 AM

I'd never trade

FOUR FLUSHER · 02-26-2011, 11:29 AM

OK, but why?

tekmoe · 02-26-2011, 11:32 AM

I've not had the privelage to drive one of the newer gen Z4's but if I had to guess, I would say the new ones are geared towards the luxury side whereas the previous gen like we drive are more raw and are made to deliver the true driving experiences. I can't express this enough; Everytime I get in mine, I feel like it wraps itself around me and I become one with the car. It's a driving machine and it never disappoints. I f'n love it.

FerRrari · 02-26-2011, 11:38 AM

Drive them both and decide for yourself, I would personally prefer a high revving N/A engine to a twin turbo one.

porshah · 02-26-2011, 11:56 AM

I have driven both. New one has quiet a bit more of luxury feel. I drove the sdrive 3.0. It felt and drove very nice. The hard top is an easy draw in.

A good friend of mine recently traded his 3.0si for the turbo version. His first impressions were great of the new car, but now that he has had it for a while he definitely misses the E85's "feel". He said it is hard to describe. Yet when I asked if he would go back to the E85, it is not an enthusiastic YES. My guess is he would give up the E89 when the M version comes out.

VinnieAces · 02-26-2011, 12:49 PM

go ///M or go home

Finnegan · 02-26-2011, 01:39 PM

Since you're asking for opinions, I'll give you that, my opinion.

I wouldn't go anywhere near the next Gen! The reliability of the current crop of BMWs really stinks and the HPFP (High Pressure Fuel Pump) used in the turbo engine has a lot to do with that (BMW and Merc consistently come in very low in quality in current surveys--exception being the E9x M3 which has old-fashioned port-injection like the S54 and N52 in the E8x series Zs).

Some may say that BMW has addressed the HPFP issue--I don't believe it for a minute. From what I see they are still failing. I seem to recall you are in Reno--I wouldn't want to be in some remote part of that state or in the Sierras when the HPFP takes a digger. It's not something Cletus at the local service station can fix. And these things fail often--some guys are on pump #5 in 25K miles.

The next Gen is heavier and much more of a cruiser than true sports car IMO. The suspension is much softer, it's more comfort oriented, and like most current generation BMW's has lost some of the "edge" that gave the cars a sporting character--I guess you could say it's more Merc than the prior gen. More luxury than sports oriented. IIRC from your first thread you were looking for a two seater sports car which implies a level of performance and handling and fun. If so, the prior Gen fits those requirements better (not to mention it isn't as likely to fail and leave you stranded--which is not fun in my book).

Like others said, drive them both and make up your mind.

inTgr8r · 02-26-2011, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by FerRrari

Drive them both and decide for yourself, I would personally prefer a high revving N/A engine to a twin turbo one.

S54, last of it's kind.

Finnegan · 02-26-2011, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by inTgr8r

S54, last of it's kind.

Indeed, and a keeper! I like my Cayman IMO but you can't beat that S54's sound and performance and much higher redline. I always run out of freaking revs in the P-car--I really hate hitting the limiter. Guess which car I'm going to drive today???

FOUR FLUSHER · 02-26-2011, 06:09 PM

I'm glad I posted the question, not that I was really considering the newer gen, I'd already started lusting for a Z4M roadster, looking at a good local low mileage, one owner car Sunday

zkeeper · 02-26-2011, 06:38 PM

Not in a heartbeat...love my 08Z4si...and its more than enough to get me into trouble. I think the new gen had to come simply because of how corporate works...but as my name suggests...this one is a keeper.

gigtime · 02-26-2011, 10:34 PM

One thing that no one has mentioned yet is trunk space. When I traded my 00 Z3 for my 03 Z4, I got a trunk that let me easily carry two carry-on type suitcases and two backpacks or briefcases in the trunk. So if two of us are flying somewhere, we're covered or we've got plenty of room for a road trip.

The new Z4 has a similarly sized trunk as long as the top is up. But with the top down, you've got room for one carry-on bag and it better not be too thick.

FerRrari · 02-26-2011, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by gigtime

One thing that no one has mentioned yet is trunk space. When I traded my 00 Z3 for my 03 Z4, I got a trunk that let me easily carry two carry-on type suitcases and two backpacks or briefcases in the trunk. So if two of us are flying somewhere, we're covered or we've got plenty of room for a road trip.

The new Z4 has a similarly sized trunk as long as the top is up. But with the top down, you've got room for one carry-on bag and it better not be too thick.

trunk space is limited in the M because of the battery.

r4gs · 02-26-2011, 11:48 PM

i posted a detailed comparo between the z4m and sdrive35is i test drove last year - http://www.zpost.com/forums/showthre...z4m+sdrive35is.

have recently revisited the e89's in more detail (an italian friend of mine has an sdrive30i) and i've noticed the nappa leathers used on the m's are far softer and smoother than those in the e89s, and probably most other non-m bmws for tt matter. certain bits of the interior layout are also a bit funky (cupholders where ur arms rest et al). the twin turbos are fun out and about in-town, but just don't give me the same rush or addiction i have with driving my m coupe. it's difficult to describe....

gigtime · 02-27-2011, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by FerRrari

trunk space is limited in the M because of the battery.

Good point but from what I've seen of the e89, the roof takes 3x as much room as the battery compartment of the M.

Btw, what does the M have in the area that non-M's use for the battery?

ZStig · 02-27-2011, 02:45 AM

rear diffuser is under there I think....

Z4Murder · 02-27-2011, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by FOUR FLUSHER

OK, but why?

for all the reasons stated above

HaiDef · 02-27-2011, 09:06 AM

IMO,

The new z4s look more like a girls car. I just cant picture myself in it. It is definently more luxury then sporty. I'ts like seeing a guy in a SLK and his chiuhuahua.

I thought they discontinued the M with the Z4 in the new gens and are only doing M body kits?

bosstones · 02-27-2011, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Z4Murder

for all the reasons stated above

+1 but I think Finnegan said it best. Most may not care, but the reverse cut present on the E85/86 is part of what makes a Z4 a Z4 IMO. They took that out of the E89. The latter is a nice looking car, but it just doesn't feel the same. Kind of a nit-pick, I suppose.

CalRick · 02-27-2011, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by gigtime

Btw, what does the M have in the area that non-M's use for the battery?

The other half of the exhaust system that the standard Z's don't have.

02-26-2011, 11:23 AM	#1
FOUR FLUSHER Private 7 Rep 77 Posts Drives: 2013 328 Convertable Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Reno, Nevada iTrader: (0)	Other Buy Considerations My last thread (coupe or roadster?) worked, thanks to all, at any rate, that debate started me thinks about the newer gen, maybe the best of both worlds, the '10 are way out of my "toy" range, but I thought I'd post the question anyway Anyone compared the last gen to the new one? I know the price difference is huge, just wondering if last gen owners are lusting for "new" or I'd never trade up?
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02-26-2011, 11:25 AM	#2
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FOUR FLUSHER Private 7 Rep 77 Posts Drives: 2013 328 Convertable Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Reno, Nevada iTrader: (0)	OK, but why?
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02-26-2011, 11:32 AM	#4
tekmoe Captain 55 Rep 844 Posts Drives: ///M Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Texas iTrader: (0)	I've not had the privelage to drive one of the newer gen Z4's but if I had to guess, I would say the new ones are geared towards the luxury side whereas the previous gen like we drive are more raw and are made to deliver the true driving experiences. I can't express this enough; Everytime I get in mine, I feel like it wraps itself around me and I become one with the car. It's a driving machine and it never disappoints. I f'n love it.
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02-26-2011, 11:38 AM	#5
FerRrari First Lieutenant 19 Rep 389 Posts Drives: Catrinel Menghia Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: WA iTrader: (1)	Drive them both and decide for yourself, I would personally prefer a high revving N/A engine to a twin turbo one. __________________ '12 Nero/Rosso 500 Abarth '07 IR/SBL ///M Roadster (GONE), '08 Tornado Red Triumph Daytona (GONE), '09 BRG/Cloth 6MT MINI Cooper S (Spontaneously Combusted), '06 IR/IR ///M3 Convertible 6MT (GONE), '04 JB/CR Z4 2.5i SMG (GONE)
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02-26-2011, 11:56 AM	#6
porshah Lieutenant 197 Rep 597 Posts Drives: M4, R8, Huracan - All topdown Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Fairfield, NJ iTrader: (5) Garage List 2018 Audi R8 V10 Sp ... [0.00] 2021 BMW 330e xDrive [0.00] 2017 Lamborghini Hu ... [9.50] 2016 BMW M4 Convert ... [0.00]	I have driven both. New one has quiet a bit more of luxury feel. I drove the sdrive 3.0. It felt and drove very nice. The hard top is an easy draw in. A good friend of mine recently traded his 3.0si for the turbo version. His first impressions were great of the new car, but now that he has had it for a while he definitely misses the E85's "feel". He said it is hard to describe. Yet when I asked if he would go back to the E85, it is not an enthusiastic YES. My guess is he would give up the E89 when the M version comes out.
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02-26-2011, 12:49 PM	#7
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02-26-2011, 01:39 PM	#8
Finnegan Dog Listener 703 Rep 7,850 Posts Drives: Z4M/. Z3M, E36/46 M3 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Teaching the dog to slalom iTrader: (22)	Since you're asking for opinions, I'll give you that, my opinion. I wouldn't go anywhere near the next Gen! The reliability of the current crop of BMWs really stinks and the HPFP (High Pressure Fuel Pump) used in the turbo engine has a lot to do with that (BMW and Merc consistently come in very low in quality in current surveys--exception being the E9x M3 which has old-fashioned port-injection like the S54 and N52 in the E8x series Zs). Some may say that BMW has addressed the HPFP issue--I don't believe it for a minute. From what I see they are still failing. I seem to recall you are in Reno--I wouldn't want to be in some remote part of that state or in the Sierras when the HPFP takes a digger. It's not something Cletus at the local service station can fix. And these things fail often--some guys are on pump #5 in 25K miles. The next Gen is heavier and much more of a cruiser than true sports car IMO. The suspension is much softer, it's more comfort oriented, and like most current generation BMW's has lost some of the "edge" that gave the cars a sporting character--I guess you could say it's more Merc than the prior gen. More luxury than sports oriented. IIRC from your first thread you were looking for a two seater sports car which implies a level of performance and handling and fun. If so, the prior Gen fits those requirements better (not to mention it isn't as likely to fail and leave you stranded--which is not fun in my book). Like others said, drive them both and make up your mind.
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02-26-2011, 06:09 PM	#11
FOUR FLUSHER Private 7 Rep 77 Posts Drives: 2013 328 Convertable Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Reno, Nevada iTrader: (0)	Glad I Asked I'm glad I posted the question, not that I was really considering the newer gen, I'd already started lusting for a Z4M roadster, looking at a good local low mileage, one owner car Sunday
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02-26-2011, 06:38 PM	#12
zkeeper Captain 208 Rep 602 Posts Drives: 2017 M2 & 08 Z4 si Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: BimmerHaven iTrader: (0)	Not in a heartbeat...love my 08Z4si...and its more than enough to get me into trouble. I think the new gen had to come simply because of how corporate works...but as my name suggests...this one is a keeper.
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02-26-2011, 10:34 PM	#13
gigtime Enlisted Member 1 Rep 49 Posts Drives: 2003 Z4 2.5i Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Austin, TX iTrader: (0)	One thing that no one has mentioned yet is trunk space. When I traded my 00 Z3 for my 03 Z4, I got a trunk that let me easily carry two carry-on type suitcases and two backpacks or briefcases in the trunk. So if two of us are flying somewhere, we're covered or we've got plenty of room for a road trip. The new Z4 has a similarly sized trunk as long as the top is up. But with the top down, you've got room for one carry-on bag and it better not be too thick.
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02-26-2011, 11:48 PM	#15
r4gs Viper Driver 36 Rep 1,311 Posts Drives: F-16 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Singapore iTrader: (2)	i posted a detailed comparo between the z4m and sdrive35is i test drove last year - http://www.zpost.com/forums/showthre...z4m+sdrive35is. have recently revisited the e89's in more detail (an italian friend of mine has an sdrive30i) and i've noticed the nappa leathers used on the m's are far softer and smoother than those in the e89s, and probably most other non-m bmws for tt matter. certain bits of the interior layout are also a bit funky (cupholders where ur arms rest et al). the twin turbos are fun out and about in-town, but just don't give me the same rush or addiction i have with driving my m coupe. it's difficult to describe....
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02-27-2011, 09:06 AM	#19
HaiDef Lieutenant 24 Rep 416 Posts Drives: M240i Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Houston iTrader: (2)	IMO, The new z4s look more like a girls car. I just cant picture myself in it. It is definently more luxury then sporty. I'ts like seeing a guy in a SLK and his chiuhuahua. I thought they discontinued the M with the Z4 in the new gens and are only doing M body kits?
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