Alex's HPF Stage 1 Turbo Z4M on the Dyno - LIVE FEED

[mfanatic325]

Originally Posted by BMW Maniac

Chris just posted 2 posts above yours?

Yeah, I must have missed it while reading from my phone

So looks like as long as we keep our motors from being TOO boosted/crazy, we'll be okay. I wonder if there's an option for Stage 0.5 @ half the cost of Stage 1

[crfine88]

Originally Posted by Beedub

i wouldnt have posted what i just posted if it their wasnt clear evidence.....

To be fair to chris, i like him and i like his company but the way he's been mud slinging recently is just shocking, the way marcus has been treated imo says it ALL!!! Anyone that wants to take the time to READ the thread, wtach the video, and really drink in the detail you'll understand why ive taken the stance i have...

in the video the god damn pistons rock back and forth within the sleeves!!!

HPF i love the company and i love what youve done with it, as a businessman as well i know how hard you must have worked, But actions of recent have put serious tarnish on your name, i really hope you can turn this around....

I was surprised to see this from HPF as well.
The owner of the car seems to be level headed. There is nothing worse than the feeling of having your car down with no clear resolution in site. Hopefully things will work out in a timely manner for him.

[Beedub]

ok so before anyone kicks my face in...... heres the video.... now WATCH and just take in the Bullshit, watch the engien builder back peddle, Watch the pistons being rocked in the motor!!!

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=908439

heres Jason @ pro-efi showing how a real motor should be built, but i can tell you now im seriously impressed with the s54, i always said it, germanies 2jz, just need a correct tune....

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=909108

just take alittle time to digest this information, sorry to be so blunt with this but id HATE to see any of our z4m guys go through these issues!!!

Marcus has posted a question for chris asking him to replace certain parts!! we are all awaiting the response!!

[mfanatic325]

I wonder what makes the few blown motors blow. Just simple carelessness during building process? Or just because these were sleeved (not sure if that changes the complexity of the build at all)? Anyone know the total number of blown motors from HPF builds? Hah

[ZStig]

All i know is that i wont be running stock high compression above 500rwhp. Not worth the risk

[mfanatic325]

Originally Posted by Roffle Waffle

All i know is that i wont be running stock high compression above 500rwhp. Not worth the risk

LoL Saves so much money and headache

[Beedub]

Originally Posted by Roffle Waffle

All i know is that i wont be running stock high compression above 500rwhp. Not worth the risk

compression is completely not the issue here, infact the engine is being rebuilt high compression to regain that response, whats in serious doubt is the sleeving process, the actual build..... Pro-efi has tuned many stock internal cars to silly power, hell his own one was insanely abused and was making crazy power, they knew it would blow with nitrous but wanted to see how much it would take, from all the info ive picked up is just how strong the s54 is in terms of internals, the tune has to be bob on, but also the build needs to be bang on also......

WHEN i build this motor im going high compression all day long.....

[Beedub]

Learning so much about the s54 which is great, were also learning that its pretty similar to the 2jz in a few key areas.....

bizarely the longest lasting cars are the straight up bone stock cars boosted out..... rays car is making 650rwhp, bone stock motor, high miles and is being beat on REGUARLY!!! this car was beating GTRs at the runway event....

[beta]

Originally Posted by Beedub

just take alittle time to digest this information, sorry to be so blunt with this but id HATE to see any of our z4m guys go through these issues!!!

Marcus has posted a question for chris asking him to replace certain parts!! we are all awaiting the response!!

I'm with you beedub, after reading that thread I'm horrified at the behavior of HPF. Let's hope they at least try to come through for the guy in the end.

[dazed^]

Turbo builds would be a lot cooler without all this kindergarten stuff.

[Beedub]

Originally Posted by beta

I'm with you beedub, after reading that thread I'm horrified at the behavior of HPF. Let's hope they at least try to come through for the guy in the end.

Im glad someone took the time to read that thread.... Imo its says a whole bunch......

[007MCoupe]

wow...just got done.

...wow...

that's all that can be said.

[BMW Maniac]

Makes me think twice about boosting the S54 at all.....

[chickdr]

What I have taken out of all this is it appears the S/C route is a lot safer. I don't think I have seen any threads about issues on an SC car (even the 500hp builds). Sure the turbo route makes more power, but is it worth the headache?

[ZStig]

Originally Posted by chickdr

What I have taken out of all this is it appears the S/C route is a lot safer. I don't think I have seen any threads about issues on an SC car (even the 500hp builds). Sure the turbo route makes more power, but is it worth the headache?

To me. No. Not worth the headache. My 500hp runs like a champ, even if im getting that power mostly up top, im ok with the compromise. There are a LOT of non problematic turbo'ed bmws, but the handful that blew their engine scare me

[Beedub]

Originally Posted by 007MCoupe

wow...just got done.

...wow...

that's all that can be said.

x100000

[Beedub]

Originally Posted by chickdr

What I have taken out of all this is it appears the S/C route is a lot safer. I don't think I have seen any threads about issues on an SC car (even the 500hp builds). Sure the turbo route makes more power, but is it worth the headache?

to be fair were talking about 800rwhp cars here the 600rwhp cars are proving reliable day in day out...., im going to throw meth/water on my vt2-500 aim for 450-460rwhp and be happy for a while.... then concentrate on lightness and really hone the car....

Vt2-550 is definitely a stop point for me..... luckily the way these centri blowers work the car is never under constant boost, hence the motor is relatively unstressed... But lets no mess around, its still boosted... But careful research proves reliable, werre talking 20-30 S/c z4ms now??? how many s54 failure due to boost on those??? NOT ONE!!! Says it all imo.....

vt2-550 with meth/water will net a nice 500rwhp and not only will i be over the moon with that but ill have a supercar killer....

for me now 550 is so minor in terms of parts i may as well go the whole hog and install it.....

ALL in all im in love with my s54... what an engine... look forward to building mine and making it bulletproof.

[Beedub]

Originally Posted by Roffle Waffle

To me. No. Not worth the headache. My 500hp runs like a champ, even if im getting that power mostly up top, im ok with the compromise. There are a LOT of non problematic turbo'ed bmws, but the handful that blew their engine scare me

you pay to play... the s54 is hardy to boost, very very little in terms of boosted failure, many through poor build or poor tune.... We have none of those issues :-)

makes me respect ess even more tbh.... i dont think they have one s54 failure due to boost, that includes all the vt2-550 cars!!!!

[Beedub]

Originally Posted by chickdr

What I have taken out of all this is it appears the S/C route is a lot safer. I don't think I have seen any threads about issues on an SC car (even the 500hp builds). Sure the turbo route makes more power, but is it worth the headache?

S/C is no safer..... boost is boost..... its all about the tune and motor build, why have their been very little ESS failures?? because they working with factory spec engines built to tiny tolerances!!

I watch my gauges in that car like a hawk.....

[ZooyorQ]

Originally Posted by beta

HPF made a video to show it wasn't their fault. When the video was released, ProEFI called immediately offering to rebuild the engine.

If I had spent (according to the guy) "close to six figures" in a shop, I would expect a very different experience. The way this was all handled was horrible.

When the guy, who is patient like a saint, asks if HPF can help out somehow, maybe throw in an engine block (after singing the praises of HPF and its staff), Chris replied with this. Basically saying "this is not our fault" based only on the timeline of events.

I'm the owner of the car (Marcus) .. I"ve been through alot. I've also done alot for that company, as well as Lutz, ProEFI, Etc.

I'm a very trusted member of the BMW F/I community.. I've worked with tons of vendors, i've always shared my experiences, good/bad.. and when ever given the opportunity to show case a vendors excellent work, I do. For example the Lutz Z4M Turbo build.. thats not my car.. its a friends.. but its just so gorgeous I had to come share it with you guys..

My car will be back on the road.. no worries.. shit happens.. you live and you learn right?

[Beedub]

Originally Posted by ZooyorQ

I'm the owner of the car (Marcus) .. I"ve been through alot. I've also done alot for that company, as well as Lutz, ProEFI, Etc.

I'm a very trusted member of the BMW F/I community.. I've worked with tons of vendors, i've always shared my experiences, good/bad.. and when ever given the opportunity to show case a vendors excellent work, I do. For example the Lutz Z4M Turbo build.. thats not my car.. its a friends.. but its just so gorgeous I had to come share it with you guys..

My car will be back on the road.. no worries.. shit happens.. you live and you learn right?

amazing attitude marcus ..... HPF HAVE lost

sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooo

much more than afew bucks on rods/pistons/block, very very very silly..... And i for one am really dissapointed with chris and HPF as i have alot of respect for a man that builds a company like hpf from nothing,,, why on earth he'd kill his hard earned rep for this blind action is nothing short of astounding.....

[beta]

We're 100% behind you Marcus, props for keeping a cool head