Blackstone Oil Analysis Results

tekmoe · 11-24-2010, 05:03 PM

Hey guys. I sent in my oil sample to Blackstone and had them check it out. They are saying there is more lead and iron than normal. They found lead @ 59ppm and iron @ 20ppm. Universal averages are 4ppm and 10ppm, respectively. The sample that was sent had about 6300 miles, 300 of those being from me after I purchased the car. I'll send in another sample in as they suggested. Hoping maybe it was fuel additive or something that is causing the high levels of lead?

Kind of disappointing news to start the holiday weekend.

Hope everyone enjoys their turkey day.

RBull · 11-24-2010, 05:24 PM

Sorry to hear that. Good luck with a second analysis

Mileage of car? Service history of car- oil changes?

tekmoe · 11-24-2010, 05:26 PM

Car now has about 28,600 miles. Services were done at 1,400, 12,000, and 22,000. I changed the oil at 28,300.

RBull · 11-24-2010, 05:28 PM

Thanks. Keep us posted. Now I'll have to get an analysis myself.

jmillet · 11-24-2010, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tekmoe

Car now has about 28,600 miles. Services were done at 1,400, 12,000, and 22,000. I changed the oil at 28,300.

Here's what my S54 engine looks like and it sees a lot of high performance driving school use.
Blackstone Oil Analysis S54 Oct 2010.pdf
I do all my own maintenance to include valve adjustments so I know it's done correctly.

pokeybritches · 11-25-2010, 02:42 PM

A user on one of the E46 forums was working with Blackstone to try and determine if there was another way to discover the S54's cam bolts were shearing. One thing they noted was higher concentrations of iron in the oil. That's where I'd direct my research until someone else can help more.

Swashplate · 11-25-2010, 04:05 PM

Those bolts are not made of Iron. FYI

pokeybritches · 11-25-2010, 10:17 PM

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=339606

tekmoe · 11-26-2010, 12:01 AM

Do you guys think I should notify the dealership of my Blackstone lab results and let them know they found abnormally high values of lead and iron compared to the universal averages for the S54 engine? Are they going to laugh at me or will they take it into consideration? My warranty expires at the end of March next year. Kind of stressing over it. I don't want to be stuck with this potentially ticking time bomb...

pokeybritches · 11-26-2010, 01:19 AM

Yes, notify them so that you have a paper trail in case anything happens later down the road after your warranty expires... even though when you tell them it will be like talking to a wall.

ZZZZ · 11-26-2010, 08:59 AM

I know everyones focusing on the iron in the oil, presumably from the cast-iron block... but I'm actually thinking the even higher concentration of lead in the oil compared to baseline could point you in the right direction. I have a feeling if you figure out where the lead is coming from, you'll know where the iron is coming from too. You should post up a PDF of the results like jmillet did, maybe someone on here will notice something. *shrugs*

tekmoe · 11-26-2010, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ZZZZ

I know everyones focusing on the iron in the oil, presumably from the cast-iron block... but I'm actually thinking the even higher concentration of lead in the oil compared to baseline could point you in the right direction. I have a feeling if you figure out where the lead is coming from, you'll know where the iron is coming from too. You should post up a PDF of the results like jmillet did, maybe someone on here will notice something. *shrugs*

This was my first analysis so it's really only the baseline. But I will be sending in another sample in about 3,000 miles.

thekurgan · 11-26-2010, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by pokeybritches

Yes, notify them so that you have a paper trail in case anything happens later down the road after your warranty expires... even though when you tell them it will be like talking to a wall.

+1, especially if the numbers increase on his next analysis.

tekmoe · 11-26-2010, 10:35 AM

When I went to the dealership a couple of weeks ago where it was bought from and picked up the service history, I met a really cool service advisor who helped me out. He told me he was the director of the dept and if I needed anything else to let him know. I'm going to take that badass sonuvabitch a bottle of wine as a happy holidays gift and also mention the oil analysis. Seems to always do the trick.

11-24-2010, 05:03 PM	#1
tekmoe Captain 57 Rep 844 Posts Drives: ///M Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Texas iTrader: (0)	Blackstone Oil Analysis Results - Not such good news Hey guys. I sent in my oil sample to Blackstone and had them check it out. They are saying there is more lead and iron than normal. They found lead @ 59ppm and iron @ 20ppm. Universal averages are 4ppm and 10ppm, respectively. The sample that was sent had about 6300 miles, 300 of those being from me after I purchased the car. I'll send in another sample in as they suggested. Hoping maybe it was fuel additive or something that is causing the high levels of lead? Kind of disappointing news to start the holiday weekend. Hope everyone enjoys their turkey day.
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RBull Captain 12 Rep 725 Posts Drives: 2007 M Coupe Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Nova Scotia iTrader: (0)	Sorry to hear that. Good luck with a second analysis Mileage of car? Service history of car- oil changes?
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tekmoe Captain 57 Rep 844 Posts Drives: ///M Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Texas iTrader: (0)	Car now has about 28,600 miles. Services were done at 1,400, 12,000, and 22,000. I changed the oil at 28,300.
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RBull Captain 12 Rep 725 Posts Drives: 2007 M Coupe Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Nova Scotia iTrader: (0)	Thanks. Keep us posted. Now I'll have to get an analysis myself.
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tekmoe Captain 57 Rep 844 Posts Drives: ///M Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Texas iTrader: (0)	Do you guys think I should notify the dealership of my Blackstone lab results and let them know they found abnormally high values of lead and iron compared to the universal averages for the S54 engine? Are they going to laugh at me or will they take it into consideration? My warranty expires at the end of March next year. Kind of stressing over it. I don't want to be stuck with this potentially ticking time bomb...
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pokeybritches Colonel 494 Rep 2,784 Posts Drives: ESS/G-Power Z4M, VF Z4, 996tt Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (12) Garage List 2006 BMW Z4M [10.00] 2006 BMW Z4M [8.50] 2003 BMW Z4 3.0i [9.00]	Yes, notify them so that you have a paper trail in case anything happens later down the road after your warranty expires... even though when you tell them it will be like talking to a wall.
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ZZZZ Captain 51 Rep 754 Posts Drives: Z4 3.0i winterbeater Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Toronto, Ontario iTrader: (1)	I know everyones focusing on the iron in the oil, presumably from the cast-iron block... but I'm actually thinking the even higher concentration of lead in the oil compared to baseline could point you in the right direction. I have a feeling if you figure out where the lead is coming from, you'll know where the iron is coming from too. You should post up a PDF of the results like jmillet did, maybe someone on here will notice something. shrugs
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tekmoe Captain 57 Rep 844 Posts Drives: ///M Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Texas iTrader: (0)	When I went to the dealership a couple of weeks ago where it was bought from and picked up the service history, I met a really cool service advisor who helped me out. He told me he was the director of the dept and if I needed anything else to let him know. I'm going to take that badass sonuvabitch a bottle of wine as a happy holidays gift and also mention the oil analysis. Seems to always do the trick.
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