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      07-29-2010, 07:14 PM   #45
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to me, I'd want at least 420 at the wheels from a stage 2 kit. Hopefully you'll hit that #. I'm surprised that ESS calculates the drivetrain loss to be at a high 15% though


Remember ESS tunes a conservative non water/meth tune. They provide their numbers based on 91 octane as well. With 93 octane and stock U.S headers I don't think 420 whp will be a problem for VT2. With Euro spec headers it will be slightly better. ESS also uses a Vortech V3 blower which is capable of 775hp, so the workload isn't even close to some kits out there that damn near over spin to make similar numbers with water/meth and hot belts. These guys no their shit!... simple as that. If one chooses to go beyond their recommendations with a different pulley/belt and water/meth then way more is possible like other kits..... but, at your own risk. I like ESS because they actually take a balanced approach to forced induction. Cheers
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      07-30-2010, 03:39 AM   #46
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Remember ESS tunes a conservative non water/meth tune. They provide their numbers based on 91 octane as well. With 93 octane and stock U.S headers I don't think 420 whp will be a problem for VT2. With Euro spec headers it will be slightly better. ESS also uses a Vortech V3 blower which is capable of 775hp, so the workload isn't even close to some kits out there that damn near over spin to make similar numbers with water/meth and hot belts. These guys no their shit!... simple as that. If one chooses to go beyond their recommendations with a different pulley/belt and water/meth then way more is possible like other kits..... but, at your own risk. I like ESS because they actually take a balanced approach to forced induction. Cheers
i agree i have to say my vt1 runs strong on 100octane. very strong. your right fr8t i love the fact that the v3si is no-where near stressed on this application, blowing a tiny5-10psi this blower will last a long time, its not overspinning causing heat issues, its all in balance with the s54, ess did a very good job with the kit, infact EVERYONE that sees it is staggered by the qaulity of the kit. if i could ask for one thing thought? alittle more s/c noise!
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      07-30-2010, 04:20 AM   #47
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dont forget u got RPI exhaust. i guess with an eisenmann or supersprint u would hear it better/more
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      07-30-2010, 09:15 AM   #48
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yup the rpi drowns it all out. :-(
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      07-30-2010, 10:42 AM   #49
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wonder how much sound i'll get with stock exhaust?
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      07-30-2010, 11:55 AM   #50
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i would imagine, alot more....but.... the v3si really is silent. it does make a lovely low speed whistle though, you can hear a muted blowoff sound at higher revs, so im thinking you with your stock exhaust should be getting some nice noises from up front, i would definatly advise an exhaust upgrade!! you'll definatly make more power now your f/i. remember your squeezing in much more air, you need to get it out faster ;-)
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      07-30-2010, 12:34 PM   #51
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hey bedubb....hows this for supercharger noise?


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If i drooled any more, i'd be swimming. that is just simply AMAZING. I love turbo/SC whine. I love S/C more b/c there's not that PFF from the blow-off valve.
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      07-30-2010, 02:06 PM   #53
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hahah...yea my wife looked at me after the 10th time playing it...... like I was from a different planet
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      07-30-2010, 03:34 PM   #54
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fr8....... thats pretty much the noise im getting and so will you on idle rev, except with s54 in the background instead of the v8 tone........ its a very mecanical sound..... perfect. how awesome would it be to see z4m vt1 or vt2 vs ess e92........
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fr8....... thats pretty much the noise im getting and so will you on idle rev, except with s54 in the background instead of the v8 tone........ its a very mecanical sound..... perfect. how awesome would it be to see z4m vt1 or vt2 vs ess e92........
my friend's ess e92 is making 500 at the wheels. would be a tough race
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We can do a run against our SC E9x
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      07-30-2010, 08:04 PM   #57
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We can do a run against our SC E9x

you have my car bro...make it happen....hahahah
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      07-31-2010, 07:24 AM   #58
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roman.......... you heard Fr8tdog......get out their........ this vid will be awesome!!!
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I bet this would be a very tight race with E9x at 550bhp and Z4m vt2 at maybe 525bhp....but the weight difference would make it very interesting oh yea, this is a must do video. Roman, try to find a really fat guy to drive the E9x and a little race gas in mine

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Man this thing is taking a long them time, money ready!! product not so much!!

I can't wait to have this on mine, I'm very sure will match my custom exhaust system, my eismann mufflers, Racing wheels, AA headers, Coilover suspension, and others...
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Man this thing is taking a long them time, money ready!! product not so much!!

I can't wait to have this on mine, I'm very sure will match my custom exhaust system, my eismann mufflers, Racing wheels, AA headers, Coilover suspension, and others...
order the vt1........ then the stage 2 is a simple cooler, pulley n tune upgrade!!!! thats was my plan and let me tell you the 450bhp kit is awesome!
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order the vt1........ then the stage 2 is a simple cooler, pulley n tune upgrade!!!! thats was my plan and let me tell you the 450bhp kit is awesome!
I know but I'm very far from them, and I plan on getting the car there to be done, so driving or shipping it twice would not be very wise.
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roman, just wondering....... do you think these kits would benefit an oil catch tank?? or do you feel them not necessary? i did read a write up from HPF, they say ANY boosted s54 should run a catch tank. maybe ESS could develop something?
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Oil vapours can lower octane 2 octane in severe cases, our oil vapours are routed straight back into the supercharger intake ;-)
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A supercharger what i am after..... wwwwwwwwooooooooooosssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhh
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i went out for a mid night cruise last night....... the car seems to be getting faster every time i drive it...... im in love all over again.
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