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Paul46 · 12-29-2013, 06:51 AM

Thought I should say hi. Signed up about a week ago

I actually don't have a Z but a e46 M3. My other half is picking up a imola red z4m coupe in January, so I thought I should get on the forums and see what works and doesn't work on the Z cars. I do all my own work on cars hence doing the research on here.

Been looking into suspension, will most likely go with KW's. Been running the V3's on the e46 and I can't fault them for road/track/nurburgring use

Anyway I'll stop rambling and leave a few e46 pics, firstly with road wheels then my track/roadtrip wheels

MalibuZ4 · 12-29-2013, 07:23 AM

Welcome to the forum. Great M3! Enjoy.

Nate4641 · 12-29-2013, 08:00 AM

Great lookin M3. Welcome to the forums.

Katie_K · 12-29-2013, 08:31 AM

I am the other half and here is my current baby a e36 M3 GTii number 7 of 50, so excited to be picking up my Z in two weeks

yousefnjr · 12-29-2013, 11:04 AM

Lady has better taste in cars!

welcome!

Finnegan · 12-29-2013, 12:32 PM

Wow!

Nice cars you two!

Thing about the Z4M is that it's largely an E36M3 front suspension with an E46M3 rear suspension. For example, you can use an E36 shim kit to get more negative camber in front (up to ~-2.5) instead of camber plates. There's a little bit more to it than that (E46M3 sway bars will work in most cases) but it's a good place to start from. Plenty of threads on this and I linked to a recent one on suspension travel and etc.

Engine is the same as the E46M3 but it has a different ECU and hence different tuning needs. Brakes are essentially those from the E46 M3 competition package. Steering rack has a tighter ratio than the E46 M3 and is much sought after!

Looks like you're in for some good fun!

Paul46 · 12-29-2013, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Finnegan

Wow!

Nice cars you two!

Thing about the Z4M is that it's largely an E36M3 front suspension with an E46M3 rear suspension. For example, you can use an E36 shim kit to get more negative camber in front (up to ~-2.5) instead of camber plates. There's a little bit more to it than that (E46M3 sway bars will work in most cases) but it's a good place to start from. Plenty of threads on this and I linked to a recent one on suspension travel and etc.

Engine is the same as the E46M3 but it has a different ECU and hence different tuning needs. Brakes are essentially those from the E46 M3 competition package. Steering rack has a tighter ratio than the E46 M3 and is much sought after!

Looks like you're in for some good fun!

Cheers for the info. Do you have any more detail on this shim kit to gain camber? I know I can remove the camber pins aswell

Thanks guys

Paul46 · 12-29-2013, 12:49 PM

Ok looking at the shim kit it looks like it is used for positve camber rather than negative?

Edit worked it out now. It is for neg gain which is exactly what I'm looking for, I very cheap fix if I do say so

Finnegan · 12-29-2013, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul46

Cheers for the info. Do you have any more detail on this shim kit to gain camber? I know I can remove the camber pins aswell

Thanks guys

Sure! Here's a thread, with a link to a supplier in the first post. At just under 15 dollars these are quite a bargain compared to plates! (And still useful with plates if you want extreme Rcomp level camber settings.)

Removing the pins will yield -1 to -1.5. Results seem to vary. Here is some discussion of various alignment settings and tricks with the washers/shims.

Paul46 · 12-29-2013, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Finnegan

Sure! Here's a thread, with a link to a supplier in the first post. At just under 15 dollars these are quite a bargain compared to plates! (And still useful with plates if you want extreme Rcomp level camber settings.)

Removing the pins will yield -1 to -1.5. Results seem to vary. Here is some discussion of various alignment settings and tricks with the washers/shims.

Thank you very much for your help,saved me a fortune lol

Finnegan · 12-29-2013, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul46

Thank you very much for your help,saved me a fortune lol

That's what the community here is for!

Besides, we have to save where we can so we can go big on GB deals like this one for carbon fiber roofs!

Paul46 · 12-29-2013, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Finnegan

That's what the community here is for!

Besides, we have to save where we can so we can go big on GB deals like this one for carbon fiber roofs!

Lol we would love to get in on that but being over here in the uk is a killer for shipping.

Finnegan · 12-29-2013, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul46

Lol we would love to get in on that but being over here in the uk is a killer for shipping.

Wish there were a way round that, but yeah, shipping is a real downer.

Vanne · 12-29-2013, 08:40 PM

Bet after a while you'll be nicking the missus's imola coupe more and more.

Welcome to the Frey.

Beedub · 12-30-2013, 08:33 AM

wish my partner would share the passion with me!! shes more interested in shoes and handbags..... FML. OP you lucky git.

silverfishZ4M · 12-30-2013, 11:28 AM

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wish my partner would share the passion with me!! shes more interested in shoes and handbags..... FML. OP you lucky git.

no you don't. she'll want her own project car, and that's much more expensive than shoes...ask me how I know.

Finnegan · 12-30-2013, 12:23 PM

There are pluses and minuses associated with having likewise minded partner. Pluses are that you don't get much grief about mods or costs, plus your share a passion. Minus is that your mod affliction and expensive hobby just doubled (if you're lucky) in price.

On the whole I'll go with a shared passion--it's been good for us in our case. For our tenth anniversary (tin) we gave ourselves a joint project/track car. Crazy? Perhaps.

angelr · 12-30-2013, 01:11 PM

It's been good for me. My wife and I even work together at forge. She's into it in a big way, drives hard and probably goes through consumables even faster than I do. Luckily her current gti is less expensive than my m to run.

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Originally Posted by Finnegan

There are pluses and minuses associated with having likewise minded partner. Pluses are that you don't get much grief about mods or costs, plus your share a passion. Minus is that your mod affliction and expensive hobby just doubled (if you're lucky) in price.

On the whole I'll go with a shared passion--it's been good for us in our case. For our tenth anniversary (tin) we gave ourselves a joint project/track car. Crazy? Perhaps.

seank · 12-31-2013, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Finnegan

There are pluses and minuses associated with having likewise minded partner. Pluses are that you don't get much grief about mods or costs, plus your share a passion. Minus is that your mod affliction and expensive hobby just doubled (if you're lucky) in price.

On the whole I'll go with a shared passion--it's been good for us in our case. For our tenth anniversary (tin) we gave ourselves a joint project/track car. Crazy? Perhaps.

Craziness.

12-29-2013, 06:51 AM	#1
Paul46 New Member 2 Rep 19 Posts Drives: E46 M3 Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: London iTrader: (0)	Noob Thought I should say hi. Signed up about a week ago I actually don't have a Z but a e46 M3. My other half is picking up a imola red z4m coupe in January, so I thought I should get on the forums and see what works and doesn't work on the Z cars. I do all my own work on cars hence doing the research on here. Been looking into suspension, will most likely go with KW's. Been running the V3's on the e46 and I can't fault them for road/track/nurburgring use Anyway I'll stop rambling and leave a few e46 pics, firstly with road wheels then my track/roadtrip wheels
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12-29-2013, 07:23 AM	#2
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Katie_K Imola Red Beastie 2 Rep 27 Posts Drives: Z4M Coupe Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: London iTrader: (0)	I am the other half and here is my current baby a e36 M3 GTii number 7 of 50, so excited to be picking up my Z in two weeks
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Finnegan Dog Listener 704 Rep 7,850 Posts Drives: Z4M/. Z3M, E36/46 M3 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Teaching the dog to slalom iTrader: (22)	Wow! Nice cars you two! Thing about the Z4M is that it's largely an E36M3 front suspension with an E46M3 rear suspension. For example, you can use an E36 shim kit to get more negative camber in front (up to ~-2.5) instead of camber plates. There's a little bit more to it than that (E46M3 sway bars will work in most cases) but it's a good place to start from. Plenty of threads on this and I linked to a recent one on suspension travel and etc. Engine is the same as the E46M3 but it has a different ECU and hence different tuning needs. Brakes are essentially those from the E46 M3 competition package. Steering rack has a tighter ratio than the E46 M3 and is much sought after! Looks like you're in for some good fun! Last edited by Finnegan; 12-29-2013 at 12:37 PM..
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Paul46 New Member 2 Rep 19 Posts Drives: E46 M3 Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: London iTrader: (0)	Ok looking at the shim kit it looks like it is used for positve camber rather than negative? Edit worked it out now. It is for neg gain which is exactly what I'm looking for, I very cheap fix if I do say so Last edited by Paul46; 12-29-2013 at 12:56 PM..
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Vanne Down Under!! 1621 Rep 4,294 Posts Drives: 2007 Z4MC Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Dubai iTrader: (4)	Bet after a while you'll be nicking the missus's imola coupe more and more. Welcome to the Frey.
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Beedub Major General 423 Rep 5,329 Posts Drives: 2007 Z4 M roadster vt2-500 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	wish my partner would share the passion with me!! shes more interested in shoes and handbags..... FML. OP you lucky git. __________________ Z4MR VT2 - Clubsport build. Multi award winning Detailing \| Wrap \| PPF specialists UK based - www.topwrapz.com
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Finnegan Dog Listener 704 Rep 7,850 Posts Drives: Z4M/. Z3M, E36/46 M3 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Teaching the dog to slalom iTrader: (22)	There are pluses and minuses associated with having likewise minded partner. Pluses are that you don't get much grief about mods or costs, plus your share a passion. Minus is that your mod affliction and expensive hobby just doubled (if you're lucky) in price. On the whole I'll go with a shared passion--it's been good for us in our case. For our tenth anniversary (tin) we gave ourselves a joint project/track car. Crazy? Perhaps.
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