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10-23-2012, 12:10 AM | #89 | |
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VF= had a few problems in the past (as most every company has had); everything was fixed and they produce an amazing product. Just look at their E9x kits, etc. ESS= another great option. In my emails to them, they assume everyone interested in their kits are incompetent fools and don't know how to install a simple SC kit (huge turn off for me); which sounds like your experience as well. G-power= it's expensive and we don't know if it actually produces the torque that we've all been led to believe... (need pic of dyno still) HPF= is not even available or anywhere close; so it's completely not an option at all.
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10-23-2012, 12:32 AM | #90 |
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Have you guys read the huge expensive ordeal that was getting the VT2-500 kit installed correctly for iPhoneEngineer? Search the forums if you haven't. There's good reason they limit the number of shops that can install the stage 2 kit.
I'm with beedub on this one, G-Power or ESS. G-power having an edge if the numbers check out. VF might be very good but we have no data. Turbocharging is still a dream (for both companies attempting it).
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10-23-2012, 12:53 AM | #91 |
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Why haven't VF posted any videos to advertise their z4m kit ??
Why haven't EAS posted any videos to advertise their vf570 white Z4M beast?? The kit is not perfected and tuning issues are still there, I would be scared if I were you. The best offer I have had so far is from VF and most mechanic friends have told me that the hardware is very good, very OEM like, not more, I wanted to buy 2-3 kits but I called it off after reading the issues. I mean I can sell a kit to a client and warranty him if his engine might blow. I agree that the e92 kits are insane. The vt2-500 is indeed hard but my mechanic friend has created his own supercharger for e46m3, tune and all, the car is pawning m5s and m6s, so I think he is qualified to install it. I doubt gpower will make that much torque, that's ironZ4m special setup, we can wait for the dyno, the kit is advertised as 460 N.m crank, which is 333 lb/ft CRaNK, maybe the T1-521 is the reason all that power is made, maybe his mechanical vanos timing is pro fuel on 3-4 K rpm as I have done to my car, it pulls like a train. I beat stock US e46 m3 by 14 cars length with evolve tune and euro headers HPF is not an option right now, you are correct. |
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10-23-2012, 03:55 AM | #94 |
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hi guys, this has turned into a really great thread imo, i guess it will answer alot of questions that we all have and for future owners too...
now onto the ESS install... i know their are plenty of install gods out their, id like to have think i could have done it myself, but in reality i simply couldnt... Its really tight down their and to get certain things in place, the engine has to be lifted, some of the intercooler pipework just id a complete nightmare and in many cases needs modications to fit, i promise its definitely not an DIY thing unless your really confident. Ess didnt make it an inhouse install for no reason.... a few people i know have had server issues getting them to work correctly when they were done, should warranty be voided however??? no way, their are definitely people that are more than confident. The general kit looks nice and simple but i think its the amount of dismantleing that makes things overly complicated. When i went to my shop mid install i was pretty concerned to see my motor lifted out the car slightly, lol.... Now tika the VF 570, ESS550 will net you some serious power, Tq figures will be very impressive too as the blower will be producing 9/10/11ish lbs, the large blower is just working nicely at this point!! HPF???? hmmmmm honestly?? im not convinced.... if you can get 500rwhp from a s/c setup then it has to be the best way forward.. in a car this small / short wheel base i just cant see it being a tractable car!! The s/c setups keep the curve the same, just move it up the graph.... imo FAR more in keeping with the direction this car should be tuned in!! i can definitely see the allure to HPF, BUT... lets talk about them when it actually is released!! Im pretty certain this WONT be happening ;-) I think due to what youve said the best options are the g-power or the VF..... no point having a new s.c setup with no warranty, as something will most likely go wrong so you need that.
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I'm afraid of VF's discrete profile, if I was a tuner and i had a kit that made almost 500 rwhp on this little car in a safe reliable fun way, I'd be calling the president asking him to announce it in his debates. I'd be putting Z4M supercharged VF570 in movies as subliminal message pictures between frames.
The fact that I am not advertising this, shows my little confidence in my product. VF's advertisement is large and i think if they wanted they could squeeze in a little Z4M. Trust me, I'm not against VF, I am ready to buy 2 VF570 kits as this is the best offer i have had so far. it's only the lack of videos. one for my little car and one for my friend's e46 M3. |
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Yeah i know man, I really wanted an air-to-air system first and an ESS VT2-500 second. it's a shame that they haven't built this kit to be bolt on.
From what i understand, there's a part of the hardware that should be manufactured by the installer depending on each car. now i don't know what this is, any idea which part is it bee? Funny how an HPF thread has turned into a discussion about superchargers. come on Chris, where's the ingenuity, give us something, a progress bar at least. |
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The ESS system wasn't designed well-enough? Ok.
Anyone is 'physically' capable of installing their kit, but getting it right is another thing. Exclusivity has its pros/cons. I think it's a good decision on their part NOT to let every homebody with a wrench install their units. |
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When I said physically, it was implied that the physical install involved "getting it right". You're arguing for the sake of arguing (and you'll probably continue to). I do agree that it is a good idea from a liability stand point to have pre approved shops do the install, but what ESS assumes is that everyone that isn't a pre approved shop, is a idiot. What annoys me is that they assume people are idiots, not that they decided to only have certain shops do the install...
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I have no idea why you guys have polluted this thread with supercharger comparisons, when there is a thread SPECIFICALLY dedicated to that. let this be a turbo build thread that may or may not go anywhere
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It's not going anywhere; so we're discussing kits that actually exist (if a mod wants to merge all SC related posts, that's fine)...
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Man my friend designed did a z4m conversion on a regular z4. If installing ESS VT2-500 is harder than that, then i dont want the kit,.
Anyway, i think the vortech V3 is not suited for the S54 at the boost levels we are operating, it works for big v8s and bigger engines, compare a stock dyno graph next to an ess vt2 and show me where it makes its power, 6500rpm and above Not all the tuners can tune as well, it takes a realtuner to understand how to adjust cam timing and increase dynamic compression in an s54. If the driving is smooth it doesnt mean its the best tune ever. Ill be happy to take you on a ride in my car. That was properly tuned with correct variables, you have ample torque everywhere and the power is absolutely brutal above 4K rpm, I might not have that extra 5hp @7500RPM but I can assure you that I'm ready to drag anyone who is tuned with a different company. Just for the record, I am dragging e46 m3s stock US by 12-14 cars length. Last edited by tikamak; 10-23-2012 at 11:43 PM.. |
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^^^^ waiting for Ess to pm me and tell me not to send out the manual. lol.
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Ok its not like u need to be mechanic God to install vt2-500. Sheesh. Its just a tight fit with the intercooler pipes, and hard if not impossible to get right the first time.
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