Z4 Coupe 3.0SI's appreciate in the near future?

[baege]

Thinking about buying a Z4 coupe as a fun investment.

I realize m coupes are appreciating, but what about manual 3.0SI coupe's? I have a soft spot for the buttery smooth nature of the n52 (smoother than the raspy s54).

[wdb]

Speaking for myself I certainly wouldn't mind if they went up in value! Manual 3.0si coupes are rarer than M coupes. They don't have the ///M cachet though, plus they take knocks for electric steering boost and no LSD.

IMESHO if you're buying as an investment you might have to keep it for quite a while before you see a profit. Even M's aren't really going up in value yet.

[Eau_Rouge111]

It's quite possible...the coupe 3.0 in the North America is also pretty rare...if you are referring to the one in Kingston currently for sale...if I had room...I'd buy it...they don't come with an LSD but it's a bolt set up so quite easy to swap one into it and 265 hp isn't too bad. I love my Z4M Coupe so much that if I had the space I'd buy another one or that 3.0 up in Kingston right now. This assuming it's a six speed stick and would pass a PPI.

Cheers

[gds52]

Originally Posted by baege

Thinking about buying a Z4 coupe as a fun investment.

I realize m coupes are appreciating, but what about manual 3.0SI coupe's? I have a soft spot for the buttery smooth nature of the n52 (smoother than the raspy s54).

If it's manual transmission then yes, it should appreciate

[Roadroach]

Originally Posted by gds52

If it's manual transmission then yes, it should appreciate

I know I certainly appreciate mine....

[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by Roadroach

I know I certainly appreciate mine....

You beat me to it!

[Punisher3.0si]

Maybe in 10 years. I think they hit the bottom on the depreciation now. They are rare but right now there are not a lot of buyer's. I was actually thinking about selling mine and putting the money towards a 997.2 . I love my Coupe and I'd probably regret it but I really want the Porsche. We'll see in a year or so.

[3GFX]

Originally Posted by Punisher3.0si

Maybe in 10 years. I think they hit the bottom on the depreciation now. They are rare but right now there are not a lot of buyer's. I was actually thinking about selling mine and putting the money towards a 997.2 . I love my Coupe and I'd probably regret it but I really want the Porsche. We'll see in a year or so.

Ideally all Z4's will round out depreciation in the next few years. Coupes will always be more rare than roadsters as well.

Personally, as time goes on and a manuals continue to go the way of the dodo cars like ours will increase in value or at least hold steady.

In all honesty though, the money made on this investment will be minimal and highly unlikely. From an investment perspective, there are better options. Even for the current money a pristine Honda Integra Type R resonates as a collectors item moreso than a Z4.

Muscle cars increased in value thanks to the boomers.

Think about what cars will tail end Gen X and millennials want when they have or "come into" money.

[Punisher3.0si]

Originally Posted by 3GFX

Ideally all Z4's will round out depreciation in the next few years. Coupes will always be more rare than roadsters as well.

Personally, as time goes on and a manuals continue to go the way of the dodo cars like ours will increase in value or at least hold steady.

In all honesty though, the money made on this investment will be minimal and highly unlikely. From an investment perspective, there are better options. Even for the current money a pristine Honda Integra Type R resonates as a collectors item moreso than a Z4.

Muscle cars increased in value thanks to the boomers.

Think about what cars will tail end Gen X and millennials want when they have or "come into" money.

Completely agree with the manual trans. It's so disappointing how a manual has become a novelty. A sport car with an automatic is so un-engaging. Not too mention how much more reliable the manuals are.

[Roadroach]

It's all moot to me anyway - I intend to drive mine until maintenance/repair is no longer an option. The value of the car (to me) is the way it drives now, not it's anticipated value at some point in the future.

[Huz-Z]

To be honest, any normally aspirated inline 6 BMW in good repair is likely to look pretty darn appealing to a potential buyer in the future. However, I won't be letting my humble si roadie go any time soon. $67K for a 4 cylinder E89 is just way too much money and on top of that, I'd view it as a step down from my 3 litre 6. Sure, the turbo 4 looks good on paper but nothing beats the silky smoothness and sound of the BMW six cylinder engines found in the E85 / E86 / M cars.

[Vanne]

Originally Posted by Punisher3.0si

Completely agree with the manual trans. It's so disappointing how a manual has become a novelty. A sport car with an automatic is so un-engaging. Not too mention how much more reliable the manuals are.

Not sure i agree on that, i have a z3 3.0i which is a "sports" car, with a automatic box, and i love driving that. Ive had the same car before in the past with a manual, and it all depends on what driving you do.. if your using the car as a weekend canyon blaster, then yeah sure, manual is probably the way to go, but if your using the car at all for traffic.. Auto all day, everyday.



Drive my manual Z4 in traffic? No thanks, id rather watch Baywatch re-runs on tv. Its painful.

Back on topic.. I can't see the Z4, being it the coupe, roady, si, s or M appreciate much if anything at all over the next 5 to 10 years. maybe after that.. maybe.. Cars are a pretty crap investment, don't buy one if your doing it to make money, unless your talking about those very very limited production run cars, that sadly enough the Z4 is not.

[Punisher3.0si]

Originally Posted by Vanne

Not sure i agree on that, i have a z3 3.0i which is a "sports" car, with a automatic box, and i love driving that. Ive had the same car before in the past with a manual, and it all depends on what driving you do.. if your using the car as a weekend canyon blaster, then yeah sure, manual is probably the way to go, but if your using the car at all for traffic.. Auto all day, everyday.



Drive my manual Z4 in traffic? No thanks, id rather watch Baywatch re-runs on tv. Its painful.

Back on topic.. I can't see the Z4, being it the coupe, roady, si, s or M appreciate much if anything at all over the next 5 to 10 years. maybe after that.. maybe.. Cars are a pretty crap investment, don't buy one if your doing it to make money, unless your talking about those very very limited production run cars, that sadly enough the Z4 is not.

We look at sports cars differently. I would not daily drive one. My Z4 is my third car. It gets driven on nice days only. For me autos are for daily drivers only.

[markp1958]

I read that the new production Z4 is not going to be offered with manual that my help resale value !

[Roadroach]

I'm middle aged and daily my z4c with manual about 60 miles per day in Austin traffic. I quite honestly do not understand the "issues" with a clutch.

[3002 tii]

I think it'll hold value in eyes of small group of buyers similar to the e46 zhp. And even that was more justifiable because 4dr m3 was never offered and the m54 in the zhp has different intake and tuning.

[3GFX]

Originally Posted by Vanne

...Cars are a pretty crap investment...

In general yes but take the 911 for example. Car Gurus kindly takes care of tracking price averages, but has only done so since 2010. But that's a decent time frame. Check out these multiple era's of 911...




Now multiple era of M3...





And good ol Z4 over time...




Ideally it's leveling out a bit for the Z4 but I don't think we'll see any spikes.



Out of interest I decided to look up the Pontiac GTO. I was thinking of the rarity of the 2004 model. Notice how in 7 years its managed to hold onto its value? I bet that eventually it will follow its grandfather on the same chart.




Another one starting to see the creep up:

[Hawkeye]

I daily my z4 mixed with my Sierra. I don't think I would want to do stop and go traffic for an extended period of time as the norm in it, but it is great for zipping through normal moving traffic (most of what I see). The auto is nice sometimes but I would be sad if I couldn't have a manual to drive.

[wdb]

Originally Posted by 3GFX

In general yes but take the 911 for example.

Valuation of the 911 baffles the bejeezus out of me. They build them by the 10's of thousands every year, and every year they hold their value. It's uncanny. I suspect alien influence or maybe too much

[Huz-Z]

Originally Posted by wdb

Valuation of the 911 baffles the bejeezus out of me. They build them by the 10's of thousands every year, and every year they hold their value. It's uncanny. I suspect alien influence or maybe too much

Particularly so, when you consider that a lot of them may be subject to the rightfully dreaded intermediate shaft failure issue. If I were ever to buy one, as soon as I switched it off after a test drive and paid for the thing, I'd pull the battery so it couldn't be started and ship it to a qualified shop to have the cursed part hauled out and replaced with one of the retrofit kits. Other than that, I think its a roll of the dice every time you put the key in the ignition.

[Eau_Rouge111]

Originally Posted by Huz-Z

Particularly so, when you consider that a lot of them may be subject to the rightfully dreaded intermediate shaft failure issue. If I were ever to buy one, as soon as I switched it off after a test drive and paid for the thing, I'd pull the battery so it couldn't be started and ship it to a qualified shop to have the cursed part hauled out and replaced with one of the retrofit kits. Other than that, I think its a roll of the dice every time you put the key in the ignition.

The 2009 model year going forward...911/cayman/boxster...no more ims bearing on those engines....and used prices between say an 08 to an 09 reflect it.

Also the 911 Turbo of any generation or the GT3 Metzger engine cars don't suffer from the ims issues

[crawlin]

Originally Posted by wdb

Speaking for myself I certainly wouldn't mind if they went up in value! Manual 3.0si coupes are rarer than M coupes. They don't have the ///M cachet though, plus they take knocks for electric steering boost and no LSD.

IMESHO if you're buying as an investment you might have to keep it for quite a while before you see a profit. Even M's aren't really going up in value yet.

This is wrong^^^

Production numbers for the 2,104 NA version of the E86 3.0si Coupé were: 2006 = 348; 2007 = 1,280; 2008 = 476.

Production numbers for the 1,815 NA version of the Z4M 3.2L Coupé were: 2006 = 380; 2007 = 1,187; 2008 = 248.

People love to think since they bought the cheaper base version, they bought the more rare more purist car which just isn't true. Im not trying to start a war just stating some facts before people think that everything they read is true and start thinking they have a more rare car than the M. Plus if you go worldwide the gap widens even more.

Also the over time thing for the Z4 doesn't specify the M which is more likely to level out and go up. I just traded in my Z and the prices now were more then they were last year actually and it was the same time of year. Even though they take some time to sell but no big deal most of us do okay and can hold on to them if they don't get a solid price which will help out a lot.