M Coupe prices are far too cheap!

[Sterling Roadster]

Originally Posted by yousefnjr

Agreed with most of the statements made (roadies have their place too...), and that there's unlikely to be any significant appreciation for 15+ years. There's simply too much supply right now to support that; it's not difficult to find one of these. Further, the Z isn't the icon the e30 M3 is (deservedly or not), and it won't see the same increase in value IMO. I swear, on every list I see of "Top 10 BMW's" or "Best M Cars" the f'ing Z is never mentioned. Forgotten? Unloved? Perhaps it's because the M3 crowd is a zillion times larger, or maybe the quirks we find endearing are perceived differently to others. Who knows. I forget where I was going with this, thanks pot

Yeah for a guy like me who doesn't do track stuff, loves open air and a nice simple cloth roof. The roadster works for me. But I can definitely understand why the coupes are going for much more.

[polar]

Check out the prices for Z4M in Germany, they have more than doubled in the past two years!
http://fahrzeuge.autoscout24.de/?brd...d0=19617&dtr=s

[deemo319]

Originally Posted by Sterling Roadster

All true, if I only had a time machine... Those cars are incredible value for money as an enthusiasts car, even with maintenance in mind.

I wanted an E64 M6 Cabriolet with a manual so bad it affected my sleep.

So I backed off of it last year but the sound it makes at full chat leaves an imprint on ones soul.

My friend sold his immaculate E39 M5 for a 997.2 Turbo S. He loved that car.

We need the Back to the Future car to visit 2003!

And I forgot about an awesome non-M car from that era, the E38 740i Sport.

In Imola Red and Tan it is a gorgeous car with so much want.

It has the hardware and still beautiful cold forged M Parallel wheels.

[pungo]

Originally Posted by antennahead

It always amazes me how coupe owners think/act like the M Roadster is common place. They only made 3041 of them for the North American market.... yea I know it's not 1815, but it's far from mass production numbers.

Even though the number of M roadsters is fairly low, the total number of E85 vs E86 is enormous. Since the E85s were made for 7 years vs only 3 years with very low production numbers for the E86s both M and non-M the supply and demand values reflects this. The E85s are a dime a dozen compared to the E86s. The average Joe doesn't realize the major differences between the M vs non-M since the only exterior cosmetic differences is the bumper skins and hood ridges. The M should have come stock with the aero skirts, a spoiler and wider wheel arch sheet metal for beefier tires to give it a more drastically difference in appearance than the non-M. The money went into the performance instead of appearance. They spent the money on the 20 ///M logos splattered everywhere on the car.

Regardless of vert or coupe, as others have said, since these Ms are the last of the more raw analog BMW cars, the value should remain stable and slowly increase in the future for clean low mileage examples.

[zimmer]

http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2016/2/2...Coupe-7732096/

[KPop]

I agree with the OP that the market is kind of messed up right now. These cars should be going for more than what's trending in the market right now. If you consider what's available today new, there's really nothing short of an exotic, that offers the same level of raw, tactile feel you get from the Z4M. The fact that it's one of the last naturally aspirated M-cars and that they're relatively limited production, should make a strong case for an appreciating model.

For context, I put my MR for sale last month and intentionally set the price above the average market rate. I actually would prefer to keep it, but also see this as an experiment to see if I can influence the market for these cars.

Of course, I know it's a well-sorted, low-mileage clean EAG car, probably in the top 5% of all MRs, but I refuse to sell it for sub-par market values. I mean, what else would I replace it with that's not something like a Mustang GT350 or a 997 GT3 (totally different league, I know.) I'm not asking that kind of money either, but point is I'm at a loss for what I'd replace it with that won't cost an arm-and-a-leg.

[Huz-Z]

Originally Posted by KPop

I agree with the OP that the market is kind of messed up right now. These cars should be going for more than what's trending in the market right now. If you consider what's available today new, there's really nothing short of an exotic, that offers the same level of raw, tactile feel you get from the Z4M. The fact that it's one of the last naturally aspirated M-cars and that they're relatively limited production, should make a strong case for an appreciating model.

For context, I put my MR for sale last month and intentionally set the price above the average market rate. I actually would prefer to keep it, but also see this as an experiment to see if I can influence the market for these cars.

Of course, I know it's a well-sorted, low-mileage clean EAG car, probably in the top 5% of all MRs, but I refuse to sell it for sub-par market values. I mean, what else would I replace it with that's not something like a Mustang GT350 or a 997 GT3 (totally different league, I know.) I'm not asking that kind of money either, but point is I'm at a loss for what I'd replace it with that won't cost an arm-and-a-leg.

So, why are you selling it then?

[yousefnjr]

Cayman / Boxster S are about the same money, and are very similar (MT, NA 6 cyl, ~300hp, catastrophic failures out of nowhere...)

[KPop]

Originally Posted by Huz-Z

So, why are you selling it then?

After driving a 757 hp Callaway Corvette Z06 and a 630 hp Callaway Camaro the other day, I've developed an uncanny appetite for supercharged big-displacement V8.

[KPop]

Originally Posted by yousefnjr

Cayman / Boxster S are about the same money, and are very similar (MT, NA 6 cyl, ~300hp, catastrophic failures out of nowhere...)

They drive very differently from the Z4M. The Cayman and Boxster are both easier to drive fast and have better handling than the Z4M, largely due to the mid-mounted engine config. The clutch is more forgiving, the ride is more comfortable, and visibility is much better.

That said, I still preferred the Z4M for being unforgiving, more challenging to drive fast, and for all its quirks and unique design. It also doesn't hurt that the S54 is an absolute sweetheart of an engine.

[yousefnjr]

Agreed, that's why I love mine too. But I think what we've done is fall for the kinky girl-next-door with a mole on her tit, where most people maybe prefer the traditional beauty. Quick googling shows Cayman US sales from 06-08 are about 10:1 compared to the Moupe. Points for exclusivity yes, but sales weren't limited from the factory, demand was just lower when new. Hopefully the masses come around, and maybe BMW will make a proper new one

[ClothSeats]

I am on the M2 ED waiting list.. a 2 year waiting list. I figure since I am waiting, might as well get something to drive in the meantime.

My first thought was the 2017 Camaro 1LE. There's something to be said about a car that you can take delivery, change pads/fluid, and go straight to the track with a warranty. However I am having a hard time warming up to the looks, and like you said, there are a lot of high school and rentacar Camaro V6s. I know the V6 isn't in the same realm of performance but it kind of ruins the exclusivity.

GT350.. only the 'R' version does it for me. And it's $60k before the markup. I know it is selling quickly but that is much money for me to spend on a Mustang.

F80 M3. Nice car, maybe when I have kids.

E92 M3. Used ones are not much cheaper than a new SS, and a bit sterile on the street IMO.

So I came to the M coupe. I have always loved this shape since the concept came out in 2005 or 2006. And resale should be very strong. The stock brakes and diff will not be as good as the new stuff, but it is rare and has a 'special' feel inside and out. A good buy right now IMO.

[XMetal]

Originally Posted by ClothSeats

The stock brakes and diff will not be as good as the new stuff, but it is rare and has a 'special' feel inside and out.

Have you tried the stock brake? Still remembered the 1st time I took it for a spin years ago and my passenger almost hit the windshield.

[RABAUKE]

Originally Posted by yousefnjr

Cayman / Boxster S are about the same money, and are very similar (MT, NA 6 cyl, ~300hp, catastrophic failures out of nowhere...)

One small difference, Cayman and Boxter S are common, see several of them daily where I live and only rarely see the Z4MC.

[DaveJB]

Interesting thoughts on here. I am the kind of guy that is just unwilling to be car-poor. In fact until I bought my Z4MC I had been car payment free for a couple years and was never going back. So spending ~22k on this was not what I had planned but in the end I financed only half, so I guess I'll live. But it was after the test drive (and being in love with the S54 engine since the original M3) that I just couldn't resist.

This car is my automotive soul-mate. It has soul to spare. There may be cars I could love as much but NOT for ~$22k or less. Not even $30 or less I think.

And as far as fixing it up goes? I don't care what I have to spend. Even a new/replacement engine is cheaper than a new/used car. So, new engine? So what, done. New tranny needed? So what, done. And after I've spent that money what I still have is one bad ass soulful, bad-ass looking but still classy, amazing car.

[KPop]

Originally Posted by ClothSeats

I am on the M2 ED waiting list.. a 2 year waiting list. I figure since I am waiting, might as well get something to drive in the meantime.

My first thought was the 2017 Camaro 1LE. There's something to be said about a car that you can take delivery, change pads/fluid, and go straight to the track with a warranty. However I am having a hard time warming up to the looks, and like you said, there are a lot of high school and rentacar Camaro V6s. I know the V6 isn't in the same realm of performance but it kind of ruins the exclusivity.

GT350.. only the 'R' version does it for me. And it's $60k before the markup. I know it is selling quickly but that is much money for me to spend on a Mustang.

F80 M3. Nice car, maybe when I have kids.

E92 M3. Used ones are not much cheaper than a new SS, and a bit sterile on the street IMO.

So I came to the M coupe. I have always loved this shape since the concept came out in 2005 or 2006. And resale should be very strong. The stock brakes and diff will not be as good as the new stuff, but it is rare and has a 'special' feel inside and out. A good buy right now IMO.

2-year waiting list?! WTF...

Are you sure you wouldn't try falling for the non-R GT350? It's still a hell of a car and unless you want to be on the track, will give you at least 80% of the R's performance and less worry about damaging those expensive carbon-fiber wheels.

Alas, you can't go wrong with the Z4M Coupe. Good choice!

[RADRACR]

Originally Posted by antennahead

It always amazes me how coupe owners think/act like the M Roadster is common place. They only made 3041 of them for the North American market.... yea I know it's not 1815, but it's far from mass production numbers.

Interestingly I don't see any more Roadies than Coupes. And actually more Coupes at meetups and track. And would you believe since moving to South Florida 2 years ago I've seen NEITHER in the wild? Besides my old girl after work of course

I'm guessing more Roadies were sold to non-enthusiasts who garage them?

[antennahead]

Originally Posted by RADRACR

Interestingly I don't see any more Roadies than Coupes. And actually more Coupes at meetups and track. And would you believe since moving to South Florida 2 years ago I've seen NEITHER in the wild? Besides my old girl after work of course

I'm guessing more Roadies were sold to non-enthusiasts who garage them?

I see regular roadies around here occasionally, but I've only ever seen one other M Roadster In the Charleston area, and two M Coupes. A good friend of mine had one of those M Coupes, but he moved to Texas.