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      08-13-2007, 09:28 AM   #1
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nitrogen in tires...good or bad?

hey, just wanted to pick this up...it started on another thread.....still trying to stay on topic....lol!!

so what is the thing with nitrogen in tires now? Opinion? Discussion? How many of you have and or plan to?

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it's a waste of money

regular air is more than 70% nitrogen anyways

if it's free, it certainly won't hurt anything, but it's not worth extra money
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      08-13-2007, 09:49 AM   #3
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Nah, I don't plan to waste $$ on a minimal benefit, unless it's free to fill up with Nitrogen.

Here's a good article: Is it better to fill your tires with nitrogen instead of air?
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      08-13-2007, 12:21 PM   #4
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According to http://www.getnitrogen.org/why/index.php

Nitrogen is all around us. When used to replace oxygen and other
gases in tire inflation, it enhances handling, improves fuel
efficiency, extends tire life, protects the Earth and,
most importantly, keeps you safer on the road.

you can read the rest here....

http://www.getnitrogen.org/why/index.php
But then again we know what 155mph is full of......marketing folk that he is...he does have the spiel down nicely, doesn't he?

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      08-13-2007, 03:47 PM   #5
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Maybe we should try helium and see if the car can fly J/K, I just remember that either costco or Sams club offers nitrogen...
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      08-13-2007, 04:36 PM   #6
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This thing pumps a gas that is 78.08% nitrogen by volume and it will just have to suffice.

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      08-13-2007, 04:44 PM   #7
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This thing pumps a gas that is 78.08% nitrogen by volume and it will just have to suffice.


Isn't that about the normal nitrogen by volume in the air that we breathe?

The moral of this story is that you need to check your tire pressure often, use an air dryer with your compressor, and you'll have a fire hazard in your tires if they get too hot (21% oxygen).

OOOOH! I missed a source of foul drinking water if you're driving in the desert.
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Isn't that about the normal nitrogen by volume in the air that we breathe?
Why yes, I believe it is
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      08-13-2007, 05:11 PM   #9
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Why yes, I believe it is

I've got a theory that if you open your valve, just a tiny bit, the smaller oxygen molecules will escape, and you'll be left with almost pure nitrogen.
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Maybe we should try helium and see if the car can fly J/K, I just remember that either costco or Sams club offers nitrogen...

My car flys without helium thank you....
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But then again we know what 155mph is full of......marketing folk that he is...he does have the spiel down nicely, doesn't he?

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I am full of many things (including wine right at this moment) but being full of...., well, I just have to object!
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      08-13-2007, 10:04 PM   #12
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I am full of many things (including wine right at this moment)
how much? Lets do a survey......socal? Rm? Yal? Anyone else?

Rm = 1/2 glass
155 = ?
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      08-13-2007, 10:12 PM   #13
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how much? Lets do a survey......socal? Rm? Yal? Anyone else?

Rm = 1/2 glass
155 = ?
Unfortunately, I'm full of coffee at the moment...seems my work is never done lately
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But then again we know what 155mph is full of......marketing folk that he is...he does have the spiel down nicely, doesn't he?

Rozie

I realize your just quoting a silly article...but I love this comment that it's nice for the environment. Compressed Air consumes much less energy, so I'll argue air is better for the environment.

The only realistic defensible argument is that the leak rate is lower by several times (depending on liner). But it's still simpler to replenish my tires several times more frequently, if I want to put that advantage to rest.
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As Cliff and I agree, Air is 78% nitrogen. So it's going to be the 21% that is oxygen that leaks out of the tire through the miniscule holes. So, you replace that leaked out 21% with our 78% nitrogen compressed air. Don't you now have about 93% oxygen? My point is that if you don't rotate the air in your tires like you're supposed to, you'll eventually have 99.999% nitrogen anyway.

This is how I win arguments at work and home.
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how much? Lets do a survey......socal? Rm? Yal? Anyone else?

Rm = 1/2 glass
155 = ?
Being very much the blue collar guy that I am with a moderately technical desk job, i'm an odd combination of beer, espresso, and soda right now.
1 beer (eel river triple Xultation), a triple shot mocha, and a can of diet dr. pepper.
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      08-13-2007, 11:24 PM   #17
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Rosie,

don't do the nitrogen thing. You don't track your car and you don't take it to extreme temps. It's purely a ploy.
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As Cliff and I agree, Air is 78% nitrogen. So it's going to be the 21% that is oxygen that leaks out of the tire through the miniscule holes. So, you replace that leaked out 21% with our 78% nitrogen compressed air. Don't you now have about 93% oxygen? My point is that if you don't rotate the air in your tires like you're supposed to, you'll eventually have 99.999% nitrogen anyway.

This is how I win arguments at work and home.
LOL, I want to see your equation! The relative leak rate is several times higher so the steady state for nitrogen ~ 90% or so, and if these are RFTs, you're sure to replace them long before you approch the steady state value!
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Unfortunately, I'm full of coffee at the moment...seems my work is never done lately
don' t you know that all work and no play makes you.......lets have some others fill in the blank...what is socal?

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Rosie,

don't do the nitrogen thing. You don't track your car and you don't take it to extreme temps. It's purely a ploy.
np. Just like to see the gang argue over things.

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I've heard that putting liquid nitrogen into the tyres is bad mkay?
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don' t you know that all work and no play makes you.......lets have some others fill in the blank...what is socal?

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