Depreciation on Mcoupes

[Nate2046]

Originally Posted by philippelyp

Neither. At $35k you are in Maserati territory in term of price (Coupe or GranSport, 410hp Ferrari engine, half of them are garage queens). An M Coupe has to be below $30k to make sense.

People complain about maintenence costs on the M car, what do you think a Ferrari engined Maser runs in maintenence in the long term? Its been said before, it takes a rich man to be able to afford a 'cheap' Ferrari.

Seriously, I don't see how the one affects the other, I doubt many people are cross shopping those two cars.

[kennyfrc]

Have a friend with a Maserati and it STAYS in the shop!

Biggest POS I ever seen!

[attacoupe]

Bought my 06' Interlagos z4mc a couple months ago with 46k on the clock. Inspection II done under factory warranty last year due to time. Newish brakes and StarSpec tires all around. Paid $26.5k.

Also, my wife's 335xi automatic toasted a friends Maser Coupe' with that garbage Skyhook transmission. So it might sound faster, but I can assure you it is not.

[philippelyp]

Originally Posted by Nate2046

People complain about maintenence costs on the M car, what do you think a Ferrari engined Maser runs in maintenence in the long term? Its been said before, it takes a rich man to be able to afford a 'cheap' Ferrari.

Seriously, I don't see how the one affects the other, I doubt many people are cross shopping those two cars.

About $1200-1400 a year (fluids, etc). $4000 when you need to replace an F1 clutch (not a problem if you have a manual gearbox).

The Maserati is an example. There's a lot of other sports cars in that price range. Over $30k for Z4M Coupe doesn't make sense to me.

[philippelyp]

Originally Posted by kennyfrc

Have a friend with a Maserati and it STAYS in the shop!

Biggest POS I ever seen!

You don't know what you're talking about...

[philippelyp]

Originally Posted by attacoupe

Bought my 06' Interlagos z4mc a couple months ago with 46k on the clock. Inspection II done under factory warranty last year due to time. Newish brakes and StarSpec tires all around. Paid $26.5k.

Also, my wife's 335xi automatic toasted a friends Maser Coupe' with that garbage Skyhook transmission. So it might sound faster, but I can assure you it is not.

$26.5k make sense. $35k wouldn't. That's what I'm saying.

I have difficulty seeing a 335xi automatic faster than a Maserati Coupe. Come on, 300HP automatic vs. 400HP manual or F1 that is lighter...

[ZStig]

the maserati coupe is a soft touring car, not fully comparable to the raw, concentrated z4m

I'd like to have one as a 3rd car for the interior and exhaust note alone

[kennyfrc]

Originally Posted by philippelyp

You don't know what you're talking about...

You're right; Allow me to apologize.

You should buy one and sell your BMW because, the Maserati is a dependable low maintenance daily driver.

[philippelyp]

Originally Posted by kennyfrc

You're right; Allow me to apologize.

You should buy one and sell your BMW because, the Maserati is a dependable low maintenance daily driver.

I already have one... If you want a dependable low maintenance daily driver you should get a Camry.

[epbrown]

Originally Posted by philippelyp

There's a lot of other sports cars in that price range. Over $30k for Z4M Coupe doesn't make sense to me.

And your opinion on an over $30k Z3 M Coupe?

[philippelyp]

Originally Posted by epbrown

And your opinion on an over $30k Z3 M Coupe?

You can easily find a good Z3 M for less than $20k and I've seen a few Z4 M, even coupe, selling around $25k. I can't see why someone would pay over $30k for one. There would have to a be a reason more than just the car for that (movie prop, etc).

[gtMc]

Originally Posted by philippelyp

You can easily find a good Z3 M for less than $20k and I've seen a few Z4 M, even coupe, selling around $25k. I can't see why someone would pay over $30k for one. There would have to a be a reason more than just the car for that (movie prop, etc).

Someone tried to find a 'good' M coupe for under 25k recently with no success. Basically, there are none or hardly any... Simply put, under $30k = 35,000+ miles. Over $30k = 5000 to 35,000 miles on an M coupe. An M roadster is infact 15% cheaper.

The reason people are paying over 30k is not for movie prop reasons. Its because: there are very few of them left with those low miles, they are the definition of the last true BMW ///M NA engineering at the core, and they are a ton of 'raw' fun.

To each his own, we could have all spent 35k on a more heavily used car that will cost more to maintain (and yes the Mas will, dont even try to debate that one), but some of us would rather have a virtually new and very reliable german car, thats fun to Mod, potentially self maintain if you are handy, make friends over, and that drive incredibly well. They are still 'simple' cars in a modern era.

This is why the depreciation on Mcoupes has all but stopped and in fact gone up a little recently.

[Finnegan]

Originally Posted by gtMc

Someone tried to find a 'good' M coupe for under 25k recently with no success. Basically, there are none or hardly any... Simply put, under $30k = 35,000+ miles. Over $30k = 5000 to 35,000 miles on an M coupe. An M roadster is infact 15% cheaper.

The reason people are paying over 30k is not for movie prop reasons. Its because: there are very few of them left with those low miles, they are the definition of the last true BMW ///M NA engineering at the core, and they are a ton of 'raw' fun.

To each his own, we could have all spent 35k on a more heavily used car that will cost more to maintain (and yes the Mas will, dont even try to debate that one), but some of us would rather have a virtually new and very reliable german car, thats fun to Mod, potentially self maintain if you are handy, make friends over, and that drive incredibly well. They are still 'simple' cars in a modern era.

This is why the depreciation on Mcoupes has all but stopped and in fact gone up a little recently.

[philippelyp]

Originally Posted by Roffle Waffle

the maserati coupe is a soft touring car, not fully comparable to the raw, concentrated z4m

I'd like to have one as a 3rd car for the interior and exhaust note alone

The sound of the exhaust is what sold me. And that beautiful beautiful Ferrari V8...

Undoubtedly the Z4M is more raw and concentrated. For me, it's just a question of price.

Would I buy a Z4 M Coupe between $25k and $30k? Yes. I actually made a couple of offers a few months ago. One was even to a member here that still hasn't sold his car.

Would I buy one over $30k? No.

Over $30k puts it in a bracket where you can choose from a lot of other very nice cars (Lotus Elise, Mercedes SL55 or SL600, E90 M3, Maserati 4200, etc).

It's the difference between "I'm selling my car for $32k" and "I sold my car for $27k". The price has to be attractive for the buyer.

[ZStig]

Originally Posted by philippelyp

The sound of the exhaust is what sold me. And that beautiful beautiful Ferrari V8...

Undoubtedly the Z4M is more raw and concentrated. For me, it's just a question of price.

Would I buy a Z4 M Coupe between $25k and $30k? Yes. I actually made a couple of offers a few months ago. One was even to a member here that still hasn't sold his car.

Would I buy one over $30k? No.

Over $30k puts it in a bracket where you can choose from a lot of other very nice cars (Lotus Elise, Mercedes SL55 or SL600, E90 M3, Maserati 4200, etc).

It's the difference between "I'm selling my car for $32k" and "I sold my car for $27k". The price has to be attractive for the buyer.

I drive 18k miles a year, and the z4m is my only car. Anyway, I still oogle the older maserati coupes on ebay all the time. Could you make a thread with pics about yours? We're going offtopic here

[txz4]

this is silly, the Mas would never be cross shopped with the M coupe for one very specific reason. 99.99 percent of us M coupe owners, wanted an M coupe and nothing else would have satisfied for that price. There is a reason there is a "what it would take to part with my M coupe" thread...


Not saying its not a great car, just hardly comparable for so many reasons.

Ive said it before to many close friends, sure, there are faster, better handling cars out there, but it would take so much for me to consider anything else. Its the soul of the car i pay for and you just cant find that often at any price.

[rkcampbell]

I have your car's topless cousin ;-) Great choice of colour, isn't it?

[KevinM]

Originally Posted by philippelyp

Neither. At $35k you are in Maserati territory in term of price (Coupe or GranSport, 410hp Ferrari engine, half of them are garage queens). An M Coupe has to be below $30k to make sense.

Uh oh, this is really going to rock your vegetables, but I (as my post above relates) bought an M coupe with 9K miles for $35K, put $2500 in to make it perfect for me...and I would have paid more. And yes, I am/was aware what other cars are available for that price point. I paid, like most, to have what I wanted - the specific car, the specific color, my desired amount of mileage. My only point is that generalizations ("an M coupe > 30K doesn't make sense") are not applicable across the board and certainly not to very small groups of M-rabid enthusiasts! I certainly respect that for you, and likely others, this price point is important.

I love Ferraris and Maseratis! Very special cars.

[epbrown]

Originally Posted by philippelyp

Would I buy a Z4 M Coupe between $25k and $30k? Yes. I actually made a couple of offers a few months ago. One was even to a member here that still hasn't sold his car.

Would I buy one over $30k? No.

The difference here is between someone looking for a sports car and has $35k, and someone looking for the best M Coupe he can find. The person in the first instance has all sorts of options among many brands, while the latter has few, and they're growing fewer every day. You can wait for prices to drop if you want, but it's not like the supply of low-mileage, well-kept M Coupes (of either generation) is going to increase over time.

You're right that you can find cheaper ones (again, with both generations of M Coupe), and some are even solid cars, but they aren't low-mileage minters.

[beta]

I just don't see any other cars competing with the Z4M even at 35k. The elise is not as comfortable, nor was it as fast on the top gear test track (a short handling based course). The merc, e90 and maserati just don't compare at all, they're large comfortable cars, not focused sports cars. Honestly I don't see anything in the same price bracket that really competes with this relatively comfortable yet raw sports car.

[tekmoe]

If it helps, the difference between what I paid for my Z4M and what I got when I traded it in was only about $1,000 out of my own pocket. I'd say I did pretty good for owning the car for only a year and a half. Hope it goes to a good home. I just feel bad for the schmuck who paid $55,000 for it and I bought it for less than half that. hahahaha

[philippelyp]

I feel you are missing my point. We're talking about depreciation. We're not comparing cars and we're not talking about the zpost crowd. We're talking broad market dynamics.

To maintain or increase the price of used M Coupe, you need the following conditions:
1. Enought people that:
a. Can afford to pay $30k+ for a car
b. Can afford to have a second car or use a two seater as their primary car
c. Would not consider any brand / model
2. Less offer than demand

I would not pay over $30k for a Z4 M Coupe because I don't think market conditions justify it.

I would compare that to the Ferrari market. Prices drop significantly in the first few years and then continue to drop but a lot slower pace.

Originally Posted by Roffle Waffle

I drive 18k miles a year, and the z4m is my only car. Anyway, I still oogle the older maserati coupes on ebay all the time. Could you make a thread with pics about yours? We're going offtopic here

I'll PM you