1M is out... How does it compare to our cars?

[krnnerdboy]

Originally Posted by SSKE92

Looks like you'll be in the market for the M5-series gran turismo sports activity turd.

damn maybe your right....GAME OVER for me

edit: for those looking for more power and more room, it looks like an HPF m3 would be a better option

[mfanatic325]

I'm jealous at the amount of torque the 1M's getting
Someone needs to make a turbo kit compatible with our newer ECU's

[mPlasticDesign]

Originally Posted by Dubbedown

no n52 has boost if you're implying the motor from the 335 (n54/55). and you are correct, it was known from the beginning that the 1-series m would not get the v8, but rather a more powerful version of the n54 which was the major *knock* - ie you could build you up a 135i to match the output of the 1m without the hefty price tag.

i just wonder what the price will be, reporters guessed it'd be near the 45k mark which isn't too bad.

True but you will not match the chassis, brakes, steering, M diff, suspension etc... and by the time you try to match all of these factors you are already at the 1M price probably.

[Eccentric]

^whs

[johanness]

Originally Posted by Eccentric

I like the 1m, and i think turbo chargers are the future of fuel economy/power delivery. Props to BMW for not staying in the dark ages.

That's why F1 is going w turbo'd 1.6L 4 bangers on the 2013 season. Ah well. So long the sweet sound of that screaming 8. On topic, I'll keep my M Coupe over the 1M. Still looks like a pug (a face only a mother could love)

[johanness]

Also... I'll take the $-difference and slap a SC on my ride. That way, I'm not sacrificing any power and kept my exclusivity and good looks. My $0.02

[Eccentric]

I wouldnt trade the Moupe in but I think the 1M will be the best DD M car to date. Low revving engine (relative to the modern m cars, excluding XMs) with high torque will be fun around town. As odd as it sounds, my dad and I are deciding between the 1M and a Boss 302 for a daily driver.

[nesrevival]

But it's not m engine rite?

[Walkurie]

Love my 06 MR. Paid it off and at $14K off MSRP. With a hardtop it is great. The 1M does not impress enough to consider it.

[ANILE8]

Originally Posted by The HACK

That could mean anywhere from actually 1,500kg to 1,599kg (it's still "around" it).

I'm willing to stake my professional reputation on this. It won't be lighter than the 135i. And if it is there's something else to worry about. If it actually IS lighter than it means none of the typical ///M magic when it comes to suspension upgrades made it into the car, and it likely only has stiffer springs and slightly tuned (heck, even same) dampers, without beefier, longer control arms and stiffer bushings all around AND a reinforced and redesigned subframe typical of older ///M offerings. Unless the whole body is clad in CF it's just not possible, and if the whole body is clad in CF then the car would be in 6 digit range.

And this thing still won't last more than 30 minutes on a track. Not with the N5X engine.

• 2011 1M Curb Weight: 3,296 lbs (preliminary)
• 2011 135i Curb Weight: 3,373 lbs

It does look to be lighter, though not by much.

[pokeybritches]

1570 kg ~ 3461 lbs

[epbrown]

Originally Posted by nesrevival

But it's not m engine rite?

No, just "M Division tuned." I think the same euphemism is used for the M versions of the X5 and X6.

[Finnegan]

Sounds like most folks here are pretty happy with their Z4Ms....nothing better than loving what you're driving!

[chickdr]

Originally Posted by epbrown

No, just "M Division tuned." I think the same euphemism is used for the M versions of the X5 and X6.

How could it be "M Division Tuned" when the Z4 35is and 335is use the same engine(with slightly less (320hp) in the 335)? It seems a really lame effort under the hood IMO. The rest of the car is cool with the bodywork, interior, suspension, brakes and M differential...

[BlackMoupe]

Originally Posted by chickdr

How could it be "M Division Tuned" when the Z4 35is and 335is use the same engine(with slightly less (320hp) in the 335)? It seems a really lame effort under the hood IMO. The rest of the car is cool with the bodywork, interior, suspension, brakes and M differential...

The Z4iS exists because there is no E98 Z4M, think of "iS" as "M-Sport Package".

Then the 1M is an "M" car because it has been totally reengineered to M standards, not simply a sport spring/bumper package. It's powertrain is what's best available for it at the moment. V8 would be unreasonable, and what non turbo I6 does BMW offer right now that could be used as an M engine. The e85/6 Z4M got it's engine from the M3/Z3M Coupe. Since the new M3 engine doesn't work, they have to get the best engine they currently offer -> N54 w/30HP bump, overboost, and an exhaust.

[epbrown]

Originally Posted by Finnegan

Sounds like most folks here are pretty happy with their Z4Ms....nothing better than loving what you're driving!

I'm coming up on 3 years with the Z4MC this month and have to say I still enjoy pretty much everything about it - the sound, the looks, the drive. The car has a lot of character.

[RBull]

Not the least bit tempting. It has an aggressive look but still is a bit homely and doesn't even come close to standing out like the Z4M.

Performance specs are interesting but that wouldn't be enough to for me to even remotely consider changing. I'm not looking for rear seats either.

[tarheel91]

Originally Posted by pokeybritches

1570 kg ~ 3461 lbs

That's with driver, luggage, and gas. Assuming the driver + luggage = ~200 pounds, you're looking at a wet weight well below 3300 pounds (and well below the 135i).

The normal N54 is more like 330hp than 300. I'm betting this engine will have more than 300 horses at the wheels when dynoed. The figures listed there are to protect the M3.

[chickdr]

Originally Posted by SSKE92

The Z4iS exists because there is no E98 Z4M, think of "iS" as "M-Sport Package".

Then the 1M is an "M" car because it has been totally reengineered to M standards, not simply a sport spring/bumper package. It's powertrain is what's best available for it at the moment. V8 would be unreasonable, and what non turbo I6 does BMW offer right now that could be used as an M engine. The e85/6 Z4M got it's engine from the M3/Z3M Coupe. Since the new M3 engine doesn't work, they have to get the best engine they currently offer -> N54 w/30HP bump, overboost, and an exhaust.

Still doesn't cut it for me. The motor in the 1M should be something special(even if just 20-30hp more than the other N54 variants).

[thekurgan]

Originally Posted by chickdr

Still doesn't cut it for me. The motor in the 1M should be something special(even if just 20-30hp more than the other N54 variants).

Agree, I don't think the engine is nearly as rugged as the S54, the HPFP not withstanding, the wastegates are known to be an issue, the excessive carbon buildup due to the direct injection is another issue and the throttle response isn't nearly equal to what the N/A M engines have been.

[gatorfast]

Im not too impressed with what I have seen of the 1M. It looks like a rally car in the photos. Appearance-wise it has nothing on the Z4M coupe imo. The 1 series (and 1M) just dont look all that sporty to me. For the money I would probably rather get a pre-owned E92/90 M3.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by bol

The back of the 1 is useless for any adult passenger.

The Z4 M Coupe was the logical choice.

If the driver and passenger are both over 6', that is the case. If the driver uses a performance vs gangsta driving position, a 6' passenger can sit behind comfortably with the knees just touching the back of the front seat. Basically the rear of the 1-series has as much room as the E46 - we have a 135i and had an E46 and regularly put a 6'2" passenger in the back for long journeys, his head just touches the roof lining.