Impromptu Cars & Coffee - Tomorrow Saturday July 7th in Milton

[Cyclops]

Just throwing it out there if anyone's interested in a quick C&C and 1.5hr rip around the Niagara Escarpment between Milton and Burlington maybe into Hamilton. Meet up at a Tim Horton in Milton (close to 401/HWY 25) at 9:30AM, tomorrow Saturday July 7th.

Let me know if there is any interest.

Tim Hortons
80 Market Dr, Milton, ON L9T 3H5

https://goo.gl/maps/oYCrwhJVfHN2

[mtnbkr]

I'm in!

[Eau_Rouge111]

Might be able to pop in around 10am for the Milton rip...car is a mess still from the last time I took it to Mosport and I doubt I'll have time to wash it before hand.

[Manxman1950]

Sorry - not this time. Heading over to Ajax tomorrow, then Mosport on Sunday😀

[Cyclops]

Ok let's meet up 9:30 and head out at 10:15

[Cyclops]

Originally Posted by Eau_Rouge111

Might be able to pop in around 10am for the Milton rip...car is a mess still from the last time I took it to Mosport and I doubt I'll have time to wash it before hand.

There's a coin car was on steels.

[Eau_Rouge111]

Was allot of fun gentlemen! Happy I came out!

cheers!

[Cyclops]

Originally Posted by Eau_Rouge111

Was allot of fun gentlemen! Happy I came out!

cheers!

Yup that was a fun run! We need to do that again.

[Eau_Rouge111]

Originally Posted by Cyclops

Yup that was a fun run! We need to do that again.

Adam...im in!

[mtnbkr]

Great meetup! Don't think the people on horses appreciated us passing by very much tho haha

[Eau_Rouge111]

Originally Posted by mtnbkr

Great meetup! Don't think the people on horses appreciated us passing by very much tho haha

I was the last one to pass them...the one one the out side...i can't be sure...but I was down gearing to 2nd for a quick blast...gave me the finger!

Plus...some cyclist flipped me off too as I opposite locked a corner (location to remain between me and my dash cam)...good times!!

[rockstar93]

Was nice to meet up with you guys for a quick chat - next time I'll definitely have to do the drive too.

[Eau_Rouge111]

Originally Posted by rockstar93

Was nice to meet up with you guys for a quick chat - next time I'll definitely have to do the drive too.

Just drove past you at Mavis and just south of 401....out of corner of my eye I see this sweet looking blue M waiting to turn at the lights just south of the 401...then I recognized the wheels from Saturday b4 we left for the drive

[Eau_Rouge111]

Hey guys...before we left for that quick spin on a Saturday...we were chatting about brakes given how I picked up a set of front M4 calipers. Well, from the thread below (I know is an e46 M3 but would I be wrong in assuming they are very similar to the Z4M?)...it does not look like too hard a job as that bracket I can build quite easily around here at my shop...ordered a set of rear M4 calipers from the same crashed car I picked up the fronts from...so plan is to do a lot more research and if possible...this winter the plan is to get it done...should be a fun little project if I can pull it off.

Cheers.

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=558795

[Cyclops]

Originally Posted by Eau_Rouge111

Hey guys...before we left for that quick spin on a Saturday...we were chatting about brakes given how I picked up a set of front M4 calipers. Well, from the thread below (I know is an e46 M3 but would I be wrong in assuming they are very similar to the Z4M?)...it does not look like too hard a job as that bracket I can build quite easily around here at my shop...ordered a set of rear M4 calipers from the same crashed car I picked up the fronts from...so plan is to do a lot more research and if possible...this winter the plan is to get it done...should be a fun little project if I can pull it off.

Cheers.

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=558795

E46 m3 zcp/csl use the same brakes as the z4m so brakets should be identical. I'd reach out to the guy that made them already and ask if he can provide the cad drawings. Might be a long shot but doesn't hurt to ask.

Also if you want some expert advice on brake bias etc ask The HACK as he seem to be very knowledgeable in that area.

[Eau_Rouge111]

Originally Posted by Cyclops

E46 m3 zcp/csl use the same brakes as the z4m so brakets should be identical. I'd reach out to the guy that made them already and ask if he can provide the cad drawings. Might be a long shot but doesn't hurt to ask.

Also if you want some expert advice on brake bias etc ask The HACK as he seem to be very knowledgeable in that area.

Apparently it's a company in Italy called Milletech that has made a few of these for their clients in the past....they are primarily an exhaust shop but have machining services hence the ability to fab the brackets...may reach out to them and thanks for the info on The Hack...as brake bias is def another concern. Allot of pieces to this puzzle that's for sure

[Daemonblitz]

Originally Posted by Eau_Rouge111

Hey guys...before we left for that quick spin on a Saturday...we were chatting about brakes given how I picked up a set of front M4 calipers. Well, from the thread below (I know is an e46 M3 but would I be wrong in assuming they are very similar to the Z4M?)...it does not look like too hard a job as that bracket I can build quite easily around here at my shop...ordered a set of rear M4 calipers from the same crashed car I picked up the fronts from...so plan is to do a lot more research and if possible...this winter the plan is to get it done...should be a fun little project if I can pull it off.

Cheers.

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=558795

Will try to keep this short as I've gone down this road before, twice.

The thread you are linking from M3forum, I just want to clarify that the brake kit they have pictured is NOT from an M4, it is in fact an F3x M Performance kit. That being said, I had purchased one of those kits myself in hopes of retrofitting. In the end, with the modifications required to run the kit I decided against it. The deal breaker for me was having to bring out the rotor another 10mm, which meant losing even more room under the already small amount we have to play with under our front fenders.
The stock Z4M rotors, and every proper BBK made for the car happens to have very shallow hats, any newer gen BMW rotor however has such a deep hat that it can't be bolted to the hub due the disk itself making contact with the control arm and tie rod end. Basically, I would have had to run a 10MM spacer between the rotor and hub. Decided against it and got a proper BBK.

Second time around looking to do a retrofit brake was helping a friend with a pretty serious E30 build. The reason this is relevant to what you are looking to do is because of the similarity between the Z4M front suspension and the E36 M3 front suspension, which this E30 was running. To be able to run an M4 caliper we had to:
Trim control arm
Trim tie rod end
run 6.8mm spacer between hub and rotor
custom wheels 18" had to be made (may not be an issue with 19s), any 18" wheel that was test fitted either had too small of a barrel or not enough clearance between mounting surface and spoke. This M240i wheel below barely cleared and only with a 15mm spacer.

[Eau_Rouge111]

Originally Posted by Daemonblitz

Will try to keep this short as I've gone down this road before, twice.

The thread you are linking from M3forum, I just want to clarify that the brake kit they have pictured is NOT from an M4, it is in fact an F3x M Performance kit. That being said, I had purchased one of those kits myself in hopes of retrofitting. In the end, with the modifications required to run the kit I decided against it. The deal breaker for me was having to bring out the rotor another 10mm, which meant losing even more room under the already small amount we have to play with under our front fenders.
The stock Z4M rotors, and every proper BBK made for the car happens to have very shallow hats, any newer gen BMW rotor however has such a deep hat that it can't be bolted to the hub due the disk itself making contact with the control arm and tie rod end. Basically, I would have had to run a 10MM spacer between the rotor and hub. Decided against it and got a proper BBK.

Second time around looking to do a retrofit brake was helping a friend with a pretty serious E30 build. The reason this is relevant to what you are looking to do is because of the similarity between the Z4M front suspension and the E36 M3 front suspension, which this E30 was running. To be able to run an M4 caliper we had to:
Trim control arm
Trim tie rod end
run 6.8mm spacer between hub and rotor
custom wheels 18" had to be made (may not be an issue with 19s), any 18" wheel that was test fitted either had too small of a barrel or not enough clearance between mounting surface and spoke. This M240i wheel below barely cleared and only with a 15mm spacer.

Really appreciate the input....this is just to see if I could pull it off....if it is in fact that much work....ill just get myself a big brake kit and use the parts on an old E36 I have that I'm turning into a track car so it's not all lost cause.


Would be pretty cool to have it all fit in my Z4M but I'm not prepared to go to the level you say I would need to to get it all to work.

Again, thanks for your input on this

[Eau_Rouge111]

Originally Posted by Daemonblitz

Will try to keep this short as I've gone down this road before, twice.

The thread you are linking from M3forum, I just want to clarify that the brake kit they have pictured is NOT from an M4, it is in fact an F3x M Performance kit. That being said, I had purchased one of those kits myself in hopes of retrofitting. In the end, with the modifications required to run the kit I decided against it. The deal breaker for me was having to bring out the rotor another 10mm, which meant losing even more room under the already small amount we have to play with under our front fenders.
The stock Z4M rotors, and every proper BBK made for the car happens to have very shallow hats, any newer gen BMW rotor however has such a deep hat that it can't be bolted to the hub due the disk itself making contact with the control arm and tie rod end. Basically, I would have had to run a 10MM spacer between the rotor and hub. Decided against it and got a proper BBK.

Second time around looking to do a retrofit brake was helping a friend with a pretty serious E30 build. The reason this is relevant to what you are looking to do is because of the similarity between the Z4M front suspension and the E36 M3 front suspension, which this E30 was running. To be able to run an M4 caliper we had to:
Trim control arm
Trim tie rod end
run 6.8mm spacer between hub and rotor
custom wheels 18" had to be made (may not be an issue with 19s), any 18" wheel that was test fitted either had too small of a barrel or not enough clearance between mounting surface and spoke. This M240i wheel below barely cleared and only with a 15mm spacer.

I was hoping for your opinion on this...would a e90 M3 rotor....360mm X 30mm have a shallow hat or is it more like the newer F body cars with the deeper hats? Theoretically if it's a shallow hat and a properly fabricated bracket to compensate for the fact that an F body M3 uses a 380mm x 30 mm rotor one could possibly get it to work?

[Daemonblitz]

Originally Posted by Eau_Rouge111

I was hoping for your opinion on this...would a e90 M3 rotor....360mm X 30mm have a shallow hat or is it more like the newer F body cars with the deeper hats? Theoretically if it's a shallow hat and a properly fabricated bracket to compensate for the fact that an F body M3 uses a 380mm x 30 mm rotor one could possibly get it to work?

Funny you should say that, but with the E30 we ran E90 M3 rotors that's why we only needed to space it out 6.8mm not the full 10mm. So yes, shallower but still not enough.

[Eau_Rouge111]

Originally Posted by Daemonblitz

Funny you should say that, but with the E30 we ran E90 M3 rotors that's why we only needed to space it out 6.8mm not the full 10mm. So yes, shallower but still not enough.

Thanks...i have room to play with on my front end given my wheels are not maxed out to the fenders offset wise...i have the calipers, ill find a used v8 m3 disc and over the winter...ill toy with it. Like I said....if I can't get it to work...no big deal

Again, much appreciated on your input on this.

[Eau_Rouge111]

Originally Posted by Daemonblitz

Funny you should say that, but with the E30 we ran E90 M3 rotors that's why we only needed to space it out 6.8mm not the full 10mm. So yes, shallower but still not enough.

So here is the game plan...over winter going to try it with a used v8 m3 rotor...see how it goes. If its a no go...and 99.9% won't be as I hate the idea of spacers...goimg to get my hands on the StopTech 380mm X 32mm rotors with proper StopTech Z4M hats. Given the M4 calipers had 5000 miles on them and came with the pads...I'll machine a millimeter off each pad with a nice/hard carbide endmill if I have to to compensate for the thicker StopTech rotors....if this still does not work...to hell with it all and I'll just then order the StopTech calipers and give up....and have the big brake kit as then I'll personally know it can't be done bolt on style.

The brackets/machining of anything I need to I can do personally so the cost is insignificant and I'm just stubborn....I hate giving in/up

Cyclops....sorry for hijacking your thread dude

Again...thank you for your input...you saved me from buying M4 rotors and a few other things and the associated time and grief then only to find out it's a dead end